Thread: The future of SACD in 2006

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Post by Castor June 27, 2006 (121 of 163)
Ear said:
BTW
Naxos mailed me that they will continue to release SACD's and DVD Audios.

Cheers
Ear

Hi Ear,
This is surprising. Only two weeks ago, following my query about SACD, I had an email from Naxos saying that they were definitely not releasing any more SACDs and that, when stocks of those already issued were exhausted, they would not be re-pressing. This is from Naxos UK.

Post by jbpfrance July 21, 2006 (122 of 163)
Hi again,
After World Cup, I returned to SACD and peaceful world of music, and now find SACD is defintively losing ground in stores.
Will Blue-Ray break through as a replacement ?
At least, our CD's are really far from SACD sound and we are all longing for remastering of old recordings in a totally uncompressed format.
But, who will listen to us ! Not marketing and money-making organizations...
Let us cry in silence...
My brother is now listening to turntables, with Ortofon, Shure and so on... waiting for more to happen...
Just longing for over 20 years... !

Post by mcchuk July 21, 2006 (123 of 163)
jbpfrance said:

Hi again,
After World Cup, I returned to SACD and peaceful world of music, and now find SACD is defintively losing ground in stores.
Will Blue-Ray break through as a replacement ?
At least, our CD's are really far from SACD sound and we are all longing for remastering of old recordings in a totally uncompressed format.
But, who will listen to us ! Not marketing and money-making organizations...
Let us cry in silence...
My brother is now listening to turntables, with Ortofon, Shure and so on... waiting for more to happen...
Just longing for over 20 years... !

I would guess that Sony is waiting until Playstation 3 comes out with it's SACD playback before there will be any new marketing push, along with the release of new titles. I would guess that most of the SACD's sold today are bought on-line. It has been a long time since I have bought SACD's in a store. I have been buying exclusively on-line.

On the bright side there are many new titles being released even if most of them are classical.

Post by eesau July 26, 2006 (124 of 163)
mcchuk said:

I would guess that Sony is waiting until Playstation 3 comes out with it's SACD playback before there will be any new marketing push, along with the release of new titles. I would guess that most of the SACD's sold today are bought on-line. It has been a long time since I have bought SACD's in a store. I have been buying exclusively on-line.

On the bright side there are many new titles being released even if most of them are classical.

Well .... Playstation 3 will not save SACD ... nor will it secure the future of BRD (Blu Ray Disc).

There are just a few companies that can provide with proper multi-channel recodings (the only true benefit of SACD) and they are mostly making classical recordings (they can achieve true music hall ambience in this way).

In order to support SACD and multichannel, let's do the following:

buy all SACDs you can find from

BIS (for the excellent audio quality and for Peter, too)
Pentatone
Hyperion,Harmonia Mundi, Alba and all the other small companies making these SACDs.

And let's not for get these masters of SACD:
Opus3
Chesky (my personal favorite)

Esa

PS. in oder to support SACD ... buy everything they offer ... that's the only way to save SACD ...

Post by bissie July 26, 2006 (125 of 163)
eesau said:

buy all SACDs you can find from

BIS (for the excellent audio quality and for Peter, too)

Eeeehh, Peter?? Exactly which Peter?

Otherwise Esa is right (olet tosi oikeassa) - we producers cannot support an expensive system like this unless the general public support us. Simple mathematics.

Robert

Post by flyingdutchman July 26, 2006 (126 of 163)
Sorry, Robert, but that's assuming that everything you and the others produce is of utmost quality in performance and sound. I can't buy that in every case.

Post by bissie July 27, 2006 (127 of 163)
flyingdutchman said:

Sorry, Robert, but that's assuming that everything you and the others produce is of utmost quality in performance and sound. I can't buy that in every case.

Well, we try very hard to do just that so that you can literally "buy that in every case" :-), but it is a question of mathematics. We cannot put up expensive production equipment and even more expensive personnel in order to promote a superior system, unless there is a market for it - we don't produce in and for a vacuum. Therefore in the end we are dependent upon the market reacting positively and supporting the system and with it the (few) ones who deal with providing professionally superior recordings on it. Economic fundamenta.
Robert

Post by eesau July 27, 2006 (128 of 163)
Hi,

and for the stereo enthusiasts I can comment that those companies that
do proper multichannel SACDs usually also have an excellent stereo mix
with excellent soundstage ... they seem to go together.

Esa

PS. sorry Robert for the mistake ...

Post by jtcod July 27, 2006 (129 of 163)
FWIW I think PS3 could make the difference in establishing Blueray as the industry standard (Though the real question: Does the public want it? is yet to be answered).

The industry need it imo, because it is really the only choice for all aspects of HD and capacity without a compromise.

SACD and DVD-A are both hamstrung, from different point of view, as vehicles to deliver higher margin product. But if the new SACD (audio market) protocol were Blueray/SACD combined, then the industry could deliver sufficient depth of content and quality to drive margin again.

An industry standard disc allowing Blueray 'video' (when required) and/or SACD 'audio' (when required), could put SACD right back in the game but Blueray would have to be the industry standard in order for this to become reality.

Film audio is already established as surround and I would expect there to be very similar mastering procedures for both protocols. (I could be wrong here but imo Sony would have missed a trick if the mastering techniques for blueray audio MC and SACD MC were not of a unified nature).

Perhaps someone with first hand experience could comment on this point.

All in all, a lot of if's and but's still but there may just be a second chance for SACD imo.

Post by Windsurfer August 9, 2006 (130 of 163)
bissie said:

Well, we try very hard to do just that so that you can literally "buy that in every case" :-), but it is a question of mathematics. We cannot put up expensive production equipment and even more expensive personnel in order to promote a superior system, unless there is a market for it - we don't produce in and for a vacuum. Therefore in the end we are dependent upon the market reacting positively and supporting the system and with it the (few) ones who deal with providing professionally superior recordings on it. Economic fundamenta.
Robert

I try to "buy in every case" and so far it has resulted in my purchasing much music that I never would have thought to obtain. I have to admit I am much the richer for it!

But there is something more important for we fans of SACD to do and that is to actively campaign to recruit more folks in to the SACD fold!

We need to invite all the folks who love the same music we love to our homes and provide an absolute demonstration of the virtues of SACD. We need to do it now and we need to do it frequently, very frequently!

In the past year I was responsible for two necomers to the fold but that is insufficient isn't it? We all need to do this and if we can, persuade those we have converted that they too must make this effort. That way we can grow into a market force of sufficent importance that we will be secure.

Further efforts need to be made to convince the reviewers of our so called specialist magazines that they should crusade on our behalf!

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