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Discussion: Sex Pistols: Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

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Post by scotty April 15, 2014 (11 of 19)
Claude said

A general problem with reviews on this site is that many people have not compared the SACD to other releases of the same album, and they just assume that the SACD is as close as it gets to the actual recording.

Sorry, but I strongly disagree. I do however respect everyone's opinion, but again remember this in your face loud punk rock to begin with, so cut it some slack.

Post by Polarius T April 15, 2014 (12 of 19)
scotty said:

Sorry, but I strongly disagree. I do however respect everyone's opinion, but again remember this in your face loud punk rock to begin with, so cut it some slack.

You want the remastering engineers make it even more in-your-face and loud? More than what the artists themselves intended?

I don't. Added compression is travesty.

Post by scotty April 15, 2014 (13 of 19)
Polarius T said:

You want the remastering engineers make it even more in-your-face and loud? More than what the artists themselves intended?

I don't. Added compression is travesty.

This is not compressed as bad as some of you are saying. My first question, do you haters of this version own this version and do you even like this to begin with. Based on a lot of other reviews I am seeing by some of you, the tastes are not even close to this. I admit my tastes are all over the place so just asking. I never said I want it more in your face loud, but said it was recorded that way to begin with. Why people need to run their music through some type of processor to get sound specs almost makes me laugh....it either sounds good or it does not. Relax and enjoy the music! I also want to state that I HATE overly compressed music with a passion. I own a pure 2-channel system, still love vinyl and everything analogue. As I said, this is not as killer as some of the other SA-CD/SHMs out there, but for this type of music I thought they did a fine job on this. Once again, I respect everyone's opinion and I think it just adds good discussion. Music is far from politics (thank goodness) so I think it is great to see different opinions out there. I also hope no one is listening to this through headphones and is experiencing this on a pair of nice high end speakers.

Post by Claude April 15, 2014 (14 of 19)
echo said:

I'm sorry, but you can't compare the dynamic range of a SACD 1:1 with that of a redbook cd.

Why not?

With new recordings released as downloads in various formats based on the same mastering (mp3, lossless 16/44 and hi-rez 24/96 for example), you'll notice that the DR values are nearly identical.

The same is true with most hybrid SACDs, when comparing the DR value of the CD layer with the DR of a rip of the SACD layer (DSD converted to 24/88 PCM).

CD has more than sufficient dynamic range for 99% of the recorded music.

Post by Alexandre April 15, 2014 (15 of 19)
Claude said:

CD has more than sufficient dynamic range for 99% of the recorded music.

Yeah, PERFECT SOUND FOREVER.

Where have I heard that before?

Post by audiogirl April 15, 2014 (16 of 19)
scotty said:

This is not compressed as bad as some of you are saying. My first question, do you haters of this version own this version and do you even like this to begin with. Based on a lot of other reviews I am seeing by some of you, the tastes are not even close to this. I admit my tastes are all over the place so just asking. I never said I want it more in your face loud, but said it was recorded that way to begin with. Why people need to run their music through some type of processor to get sound specs almost makes me laugh....it either sounds good or it does not. Relax and enjoy the music! I also want to state that I HATE overly compressed music with a passion. I own a pure 2-channel system, still love vinyl and everything analogue.

If you are happy with the sound then just enjoy the disc. I was just pointing out that some compression was added.

Post by Claude April 15, 2014 (17 of 19)
Alexandre said:

Yeah, PERFECT SOUND FOREVER.

Where have I heard that before?

I was talking about dynamic range and nothing else.

SACD has a higher possible dynamic range than CD, but no recording uses that. When the CD format was launched in 1983, some classical music listeners found the dynamic range uncomfortable compared to LP, and there were even devices on the market that allowed to compress the dynamics.

Post by tdunster April 26, 2014 (18 of 19)
I own an original Dutch / Holland version of Never Mind the Bullocks and while it is not compressed it also sounds flat and boring. I rarely, if ever give it a spin.

The SACD, I play often because to me it's just a more positive experience. I'm pogoing around the room like a madman with this SACD turned to eleven.

Those that say it is fatiguing are also correct because they are stating a personal preference.

For me though, I don't find the SACD fatiguing in the slightest. And if it were fatiguing would that be such a bad thing ? I mean sit behind a drum kit and thrash the crap out of it - it's not the most pleasant sound that's for sure.

The good thing here is that with a little bit of analysis you can work out which people have similar tastes and preferences and which ones don't.

Some people live by DR ratings and others find them more often than not useless. Again, no right or wrong - just preferences.

Some people want a recording to sound real others want something artificial. Surprisingly, or perhaps not - realistic is not always the most pleasant.

Some recordings benefit from a small dose of compression - others don't. Some people think Steve Hoffman is a genius, others thinks he's a self promoting egotist. Again, just preferences. No right or wrong

Post by Mongo May 11, 2014 (19 of 19)
Since there's no thread for the BD Audio release of this I'll chime in if it's ok.
The only version I have of this is the original UK vinyl from the original release year. Haven't listened to this in 20+ years.
To say I was shocked by the BD is spot on.
Very clean and very crankable. If there is any compression it is not a negative on my system or to my ears.
Highly recommended.

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