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Discussion: Bach, CPE: Symphonies & Concertos - Barokkanerne

Posts: 8

Post by JohnProffitt December 16, 2013 (1 of 8)
Carl Phillip Emanuel Bach was the 2nd child of Johann Sebastian and Maria Barbara Bach. Wilhelm Friedemann Bach was their first child, and also a composer in his own right.

Post by Euell Neverno December 16, 2013 (2 of 8)
JohnProffitt said:

Carl Phillip Emanuel Bach was the 2nd child of Johann Sebastian and Maria Barbara Bach. Wilhelm Friedemann Bach was their first child, and also a composer in his own right.

CPE Bach was actually the sixth child and Wilhelm Friedemann Bach the second child, both birthed by JS Bach's first wife.

Post by Joseph Ponessa December 16, 2013 (3 of 8)
You don't suppose they ever got all those kids mixed up, do you? Did they really call each other Carl Philipp and Wilhelm Friedemann and so forth?
Here is an anecdote which may or may not be factual: J.S. Bach worked with children on his job. Everybody was pretty jumpy because of the devastating wars that had plowed through central Germany. Leipzig was intact, but other towns had been destroyed. One day Bach was frustrated with the boys during a rehearsal, and he blew his stack and yelled, "The choir is going downhill!" which can also mean "The choirloft is collapsing!" All the boys ran out of the building, and Bach was left there all by himself, muttering "What did I say? What did I say?" One of the boys who ran out that day could have been little C.P.E.

Post by Geohominid December 16, 2013 (4 of 8)
Hint taken. I meant to write "most adventurous son of...".

Thanks, Geo

Post by Geohominid December 17, 2013 (5 of 8)
Joseph Ponessa said:

You don't suppose they ever got all those kids mixed up, do you? Did they really call each other Carl Philipp and Wilhelm Friedemann and so forth?
Here is an anecdote which may or may not be factual: J.S. Bach worked with children on his job. Everybody was pretty jumpy because of the devastating wars that had plowed through central Germany. Leipzig was intact, but other towns had been destroyed. One day Bach was frustrated with the boys during a rehearsal, and he blew his stack and yelled, "The choir is going downhill!" which can also mean "The choirloft is collapsing!" All the boys ran out of the building, and Bach was left there all by himself, muttering "What did I say? What did I say?" One of the boys who ran out that day could have been little C.P.E.

Do you have source for that? It's an engaging anecdote and brings a chuckle but at the same time sounds apocryphal. There is so little reliable information about JSB's character and life that quite an industry of inventing material appeared in the late C18th and C19th, some of it coming from his biographers. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Geo

Post by JohnProffitt December 17, 2013 (6 of 8)
Euell Neverno said:

CPE Bach was actually the sixth child and Wilhelm Friedemann Bach the second child, both birthed by JS Bach's first wife.

Sorry, I should have written more precisely: Wilhelm Friedemann and CPE were the first two children of Johann Sebastian and Maria Barbara to survive into maturity.

Post by Euell Neverno December 17, 2013 (7 of 8)
JohnProffitt said:

Sorry, I should have written more precisely: Wilhelm Friedemann and CPE were the first two children of Johann Sebastian and Maria Barbara to survive into maturity.

You are omitting Catharina Dorthea Bach (1708-1774), who was the first born.

My prior post identifying CPE Bach as the sixth child was in error; CPE Bach was actually number 5. Well, heck, old JS had 20 kids, 10 of whom survived to adulthood. He must have had a tough time keeping track of all his progeny too.

Post by Simon V. December 17, 2013 (8 of 8)
Euell Neverno said:

Well, heck, old JS had 20 kids, 10 of whom survived to adulthood. He must have had a tough time keeping track of all his progeny too.

Not forgetting P.D.Q. Bach, "the twenty-first of Johann's twenty children".

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