Thread: SACD for M/C Audio & HiRez Downloads for Stereo? Is that the future?

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Post by kelly200269 March 28, 2014 (31 of 39)
tailspn said:

By that logic, the original multi-track unedited session files should go for a pittance. Since I have both a multi-track Sonoma and Pyramix and can mount them, would you sell me yours for say, less than CD price?

No, because the multi-track, unedited session files are not a finished product! lol

Post by tailspn March 28, 2014 (32 of 39)
kelly200269 said:
I just want us to be charged a fair price for a good product, rather than being ripped-off.

Martin, I sense you're upset because a product you want, is not being offered at a price YOU want to pay. But to disparage an industry with terms like rip-off, shows either great youth, or anger management issues. Your arguments live in your mind, and have no basis in business reality. In other words, you don't know what you're talking about, but do have opinions.

My suggestion stands, don't buy from them if they don't meet your requirements for price or quality. Stick with SA-CD, it's an incredible, unsustainable bargain.

Post by kelly200269 March 28, 2014 (33 of 39)
tailspn said:

Martin, I sense you're upset because a product you want, is not being offered at a price YOU want to pay. But to disparage an industry with terms like rip-off, shows either great youth, or anger management issues. Your arguments live in your mind, and have no basis in business reality. In other words, you don't know what you're talking about, but do have opinions.

My suggestion stands, don't buy from them if they don't meet your requirements for price or quality. Stick with SA-CD, it's an incredible, unsustainable bargain.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I'm far from angry and far from youthful (unfortunately! lol).
I'm not upset at all; I just wanted to voice my opinion. Isn't what this forum is for? Debate and opinion?
And my arguments don't live in my mind; value and it's perception (with regard to all things) are all around us and are tangible in the world we live in, and there is no reason why this can't be debated on this forum.

My suggestion to you is if you don't wish to debate constructively on such matters, look at other threads on this forum, stop posting to this one and take your own opinions elsewhere.

Post by tailspn March 28, 2014 (34 of 39)
kelly200269 said:

My suggestion to you is if you don't wish to debate constructively on such matters, look at other threads on this forum, stop posting to this one and take your own opinions elsewhere.

There is no debate Martin. You're a potential Hi-Rez music download customer, and express an opinion about value. I'm in the business, and detailed some of the factors that affect that value. Hopefully I've shed some light to counter your opinion, and maybe even enlightened you with factual knowledge. I have no opinion to debate, just personal experience.

But this is a site focused on optical media music delivery, and does not encourage conversation about downloads. So, I'll end my contributions here.

Post by steviev March 28, 2014 (35 of 39)
AmonRa said:

Funny thing is that the highest resolution files should be the cheapest, as they are the original masters. Making down sampled files in CD or mp3 quality costs more.

I see your point. Consider also that website-server bandwidth costs are much higher if you're hosting gargantuan MCH hi-rez downloads (as 2L and others do now) of three to four gigabytes versus stereo hi-rez downloads of around one gigabyte versus mp3 downloads of less than 200 megabytes. That's where the extra cost comes in -- for now.

Post by AmonRa March 29, 2014 (36 of 39)
Traffic cost difference between a 700MB CD file and 4 GB DSD MCH file is maybe 20 cents. Does not explain the $10 price difference, and we know it.

Of course the value of merchandise is the one the deal is made at, so if big MCH file is more valuable to the customer, fine, even if it is cheaper for the seller.

About rip-offs: I do not think the term rip-off applies to any voluntary transaction. Only to cases where the buyer has no real choice for some reason.

Post by kelly200269 March 29, 2014 (37 of 39)
AmonRa

About rip-offs: I do not think the term rip-off applies to any voluntary transaction. Only to cases where the buyer has no real choice for some reason.

Good point, and well said! :-)

Post by Jon Benger March 29, 2014 (38 of 39)
My thoughts on the pricing issue as a consumer: Whenever I buy a recording, it's a bit of a gamble. Whatever reviews I've read, or previews I've heard, I can never be quite sure whether I'll be delighted with my new purchase once I'm playing it in the comfort of my own home and listening properly.

The good news is that most CDs and SACDs are priced such that I can afford to take that risk. If I never play a recording again, £8-£15 or so isn't going to hurt too much, and there's always the possibility of getting a few pounds back through the second hand market. Similarly, I often buy downloads, when they are priced attractively, of music which is new to me and which I wouldn't have considered at full price - for example I have recently been delighted to discover the music of Allan Pettersson as a result of some decent offers from BIS.

Once the price reaches £20 or more for a hires album download, with no prospect of resale, my inclination would be to not take the gamble (unless it's an absolute "must buy"). If other music buyers think in the same way, I suspect that the overall sales volumes of such releases would be relatively lower as part of the natural elasticity of demand to price. It may be that the labels/retailers have researched the market, and concluded that a smaller number of high-yield customers is more profitable than going for volume, but it sounds a bit risky. I suspect that there will be some convergence of pricing over time.

Post by Iain March 29, 2014 (39 of 39)
Jon Benger said:

My thoughts on the pricing issue as a consumer: Whenever I buy a recording, it's a bit of a gamble. Whatever reviews I've read, or previews I've heard, I can never be quite sure whether I'll be delighted with my new purchase once I'm playing it in the comfort of my own home and listening properly.

The good news is that most CDs and SACDs are priced such that I can afford to take that risk. ... Similarly, I often buy downloads, when they are priced attractively, of music which is new to me and which I wouldn't have considered at full price - ...

Once the price reaches £20 or more for a hires album download, with no prospect of resale, my inclination would be to not take the gamble (unless it's an absolute "must buy"). ... I suspect that there will be some convergence of pricing over time.

Well said.

One of the beauties of downloads, is you always have the option of downloading individual tracks if you're not familiar of the title. That's much less expensive than purchasing the actual physical media.

It's usually not a requirement to purchase the complete title if not needed.

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