Thread: HDTracks Reviews

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Post by DSD_Mastering April 10, 2014 (61 of 80)
steviev said:

False premise. There's no evidence that converting from 24/44 PCM to DSD is any sort of upsample or skullduggery. Many SACD producers don't even disclose their recording resolution or method.

Going from 44.1kHz to 2.8MHz is up sampling. You can't get any more clear than that.

Post by DSD April 10, 2014 (62 of 80)
bissie said:

Dear Teresa,

this happened long before it was possible or practicable to send anything of this size over the Net. Now of course noone rips SACD:s (at least not ours).

Robert

Thanks Robert, however I didn’t ask Bruce about BIS but all the current record labels that send HDTracks SACDs and DVD-Audios instead of copies of the original PCM or DSD music files in their original resolution.

For the record you do it correctly at eClassical, the BIS downloads are from the actual music files at their original resolution, we just need the rest of the industry to follow your lead.

Post by bissie April 10, 2014 (63 of 80)
DSD_Mastering said:

Robert, calling me stupid does not raise you above anyone else.

Besides, if you really wanted to release 24/44.1 in its native format, you would have done what Reference Recordings and others do.... put the files on a damn DVD. You could buy 176.4 files all day long from Reference Recordings. That way there will be no sample rate conversion or confusing your customers and have to answer questions for the past 3 years.
So no Robert, you didn't have to go through the added expense of producing SACD's.

No, you're right, and I apologize. I shouldn't have called you stupid.
However, you didn't read what I wrote and you copied.

What alternative did I have to disseminate my 24/44,1 surround recordings, GIVEN THAT I RIGHTLY CONSIDERED DVD-A STILLBORN, professionally and commercially in the present marketplace, except SACD?

None.

And so I did. That forced me to use DSD for PCM originals and thus to convert, upsampling or not.

That doesn't give anybody any right to advertise the original sampling rate as anything else than what it was. You didn't ask me or react, you just did what HDTracks demanded. Surely, being the professional you are, you must have noted that the files were not 24/88,2. If so, why didn't you react or at least tell HDTracks? And, if you did, why did they misstate it anyway?
Something doesn't smell well here. How many other labels/other recordings are falsely passed off for (and charged for) what they're not with HDTracks?

Robert

Post by DSD_Mastering April 10, 2014 (64 of 80)
bissie said:

That doesn't give anybody any right to advertise the original sampling rate as anything else than what it was. You didn't ask me or react, you just did what HDTracks demanded. Surely, being the professional you are, you must have noted that the files were not 24/88,2. If so, why didn't you react or at least tell HDTracks? And, if you did, why did they misstate it anyway?
Something doesn't smell well here. How many other labels/other recordings are falsely passed off for (and charged for) what they're not with HDTracks?

Robert

That's just it Robert. We didn't check to see what the native sample rate was. We were just told to get the DSD information off the disc and down sample to 176.4/88.2 We were never asked to check the file provenance.

The first we heard about it was probably the same as you... from the forums. Then we had to go back and check our 2 year catalog, track by track. No, you were not the only one that recorded in 24/44.1 and released on SACD.

Post by bissie April 11, 2014 (65 of 80)
DSD_Mastering said:

That's just it Robert. We didn't check to see what the native sample rate was. We were just told to get the DSD information off the disc and down sample to 176.4/88.2 We were never asked to check the file provenance.

The first we heard about it was probably the same as you... from the forums. Then we had to go back and check our 2 year catalog, track by track. No, you were not the only one that recorded in 24/44.1 and released on SACD.

OK, then.

Mystery solved, case dismissed. However, HDTracks ought not to have let me take the blame, as they did. THEY ought to have checked (or have you check) the provenance before starting to charge for nothing.

Robert

Post by mekduk April 12, 2014 (66 of 80)
Let me drop the bombshell. Bruce, how do you get the SACD layer out of the disc?

Post by DSD_Mastering April 12, 2014 (67 of 80)
The text of this post has been deleted by the moderator. Reason:

It's been a longstanding policy of this site that discussions on bypassing SA-CD copy protection is off limits. Those labels drawn to the format knowing their content would be protected should have their rights preserved, irrespective of what individuals think are their own "rights".

Post by DSD_Mastering April 12, 2014 (68 of 80)
DSD_Mastering said:

The text of this post has been deleted by the moderator. Reason:

It's been a longstanding policy of this site that discussions on bypassing SA-CD copy protection is off limits. Those labels drawn to the format knowing their content would be protected should have their rights preserved, irrespective of what individuals think are their own "rights".

Well Zeus, this whole damn Thread should be deleted because 80% of the content on HDtracks are the DSD files that was taken from SACD's.

You might not want it discussed on here, that is fine with me. I just pointed to the location where people can get more information. I thought educating people and giving them information is what this site is about.

I have to go now answer 17 emails that I just got because you decided to delete my post.

And besides, the labels, the owners of the content, commissioned me to get this information from the disc because it was the only master files they had.

Post by Lunna April 12, 2014 (69 of 80)
I just bought my first HDTracks download, Jimmy Smith - The Cat. Sounds good to me, but not that much better than an early West German redbook CD pressing... Seems like it is 96/24 FLAC (at least that's what the files read, and my DAC shows, but what is the provenance of the source? Same as the SHM-SACD's that I've been dreaming about purchasing? Is Acoustic Sounds more reliable regarding source? (I bought my second download - Michael Jackson - Thriller from them yesterday)... To be honest, I feel much more comfortable with good old SACDs than with these downloads.

Post by DSD_Mastering April 12, 2014 (70 of 80)
Lunna said:

I just bought my first HDTracks download, Jimmy Smith - The Cat. Sounds good to me, but not that much better than an early West German redbook CD pressing... Seems like it is 96/24 FLAC (at least that's what the files read, and my DAC shows, but what is the provenance of the source? Same as the SHM-SACD's that I've been dreaming about purchasing? Is Acoustic Sounds more reliable regarding source? (I bought my second download - Michael Jackson - Thriller from them yesterday)... To be honest, I feel much more comfortable with good old SACDs than with these downloads.

Sorry Lunna.... can't tell you the provenance... Zeus will delete my post because it was taken from a disc.

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