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Discussion: Mozart: Clarinet Concerto, Quintet - Martin Fröst

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Post by Julien July 16, 2007 (11 of 20)
Brilliant performance from each player!

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Post by pelley August 20, 2007 (12 of 20)
I ordered this disc with some hesitation based on the description of the high frequency "noise." But after attending a recent chamber concert, I confirmed that this type of sound is quite natural from a clarinet-- even sitting several rows back. On the disc it's not that noticable and the sound and performance is fantastic. Don't be dissuaded.

Post by Orpheus September 3, 2007 (13 of 20)
The Linn label's excellent original instruments recording of the Brahm's clarinet quintet doesn't have this problem, which tends to suggest that BIS has too closely miked the clarinet.

Not mentioned in any of the material that I've seen on this recording so far is that, as far as I know (I've not heard this recording) modern instruments are used. I much prefer to hear these and other works of Mozart, etc on original instruments and after you have heard this live it is not hard to work out why. Unless I'm wrong on this point I won't be buying this SACD. I already have a superb original instruments CD recording of the Mozart clarinet concerto and I look forward to one on SACD.

Post by wehecht September 3, 2007 (14 of 20)
Orpheus said:

Not mentioned in any of the material that I've seen on this recording so far is that, as far as I know (I've not heard this recording) modern instruments are used. I much prefer to hear these and other works of Mozart, etc on original instruments and after you have heard this live it is not hard to work out why. Unless I'm wrong on this point I won't be buying this SACD. I already have a superb original instruments CD recording of the Mozart clarinet concerto and I look forward to one on SACD.

The orchestra/quartet play modern instruments, but Martin Frost plays a basset clarinet encompassing the original range of the solo part. It certainly makes sense to prefer the basset clarinet to the standard modern instrument, but as to the orchestral support the choice of modern versus original instruments is less important to me than the conductor's view of the piece and the orchestra's execution. I enjoy this disc immensely despite the somewhat close-up perspective of the recording.

Post by sunnydaler October 28, 2007 (15 of 20)
at 4:01 mark to the 2nd mvt. , I hear somebody(probably the soloist) sniffing. It's pretty audiable.
and talking about the hiss from wind instruments, great players know how to reduce hiss. Like Shanon Bezaly. While the flute is the most hiss-producing wind instrument, she has purely clean and beautiful tone.

Post by Orpheus October 28, 2007 (16 of 20)
Orpheus said:

The Linn label's excellent original instruments recording of the Brahm's clarinet quintet doesn't have this problem, which tends to suggest that BIS has too closely miked the clarinet.

Not mentioned in any of the material that I've seen on this recording so far is that, as far as I know (I've not heard this recording) modern instruments are used. I much prefer to hear these and other works of Mozart, etc on original instruments and after you have heard this live it is not hard to work out why. Unless I'm wrong on this point I won't be buying this SACD. I already have a superb original instruments CD recording of the Mozart clarinet concerto and I look forward to one on SACD.

For Mozart's Clarinet Quintet, has anyone heard Mozart: Quartet & Quintets - Kuijken String Quartet ? This sounds to be ideal for what I'm looking for for this work.

Post by jlaurson October 28, 2007 (17 of 20)
pann said:

I agree with Castor.
I think the culprit is Ingo.
Ingo, it's not normal. Sorry. Nice try though.

This is a little arrogant, to say the least. Or perhaps ignorant - I don't quite know which one.

Ingo's answer perfectly addresses the questions posed -- but neither the answer nor Ingo ex- or im-plicitly suggests that therefore you must like it.

To hear clicking and hissing noises in a concert is only normal - although not necessarily in a clarinet concerto where enough sound and refracted noise will cover such extraneous noises. And, of course, the basic audience noises that our ear filters out (so long as they are not too distracting), cover all the 'normal' noises (breathing, feet shuffling, seat-shifting, clicking etc.) that players and instruments make.

One could mix in some white noise to get rid of those, but that would hardly be the nominally ideal solution for the (alleged) audiophiles that so balk at the Froest-noise, no?

And if I have to read that it is ideal to sit "Row 20, Center", I really must question whether the writer does not just throw around hackneyed formulas without knowing or thinking much about the topic of discussion. Nevermind that every hall is different and that there is hardly an 'ideal', imaginary or platonic "Row 20" [Row 20 would be covered by bleachers in many a hall, for one; other halls have no determined center]. But 1/2 of this CD is a chamber piece. If you are in "Row 20, Center" during a chamber performance, you are most likely not in the same room anymore, but two buildings over.

Like the 'air' or not - or the clicking of buttons or not, but don't spout nonsense about how to properly record classical music when you know little about it or, apparently, desire ambiance-haze to get rid of "non-musical" sounds.

Post by sunnydaler January 20, 2014 (18 of 20)

Post by old-dog-newtricks January 21, 2014 (19 of 20)
I think the Frost recording mentioned by Gramophone is his earlier version from 2002. I have really enjoyed the recent recording.

Post by bissie January 21, 2014 (20 of 20)
old-dog-newtricks said:

I think the Frost recording mentioned by Gramophone is his earlier version from 2002. I have really enjoyed the recent recording.

It is.

Robert

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