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Discussion: Dvorak: Symphony No. 9 - Neumann

Posts: 7

Post by Windsurfer March 24, 2006 (1 of 7)
Vaclav Neumann passed away in 1995, Does this recording manage to be "multi-channel" the same way the Membrans are, and the DG disc of Anne Sophie Mutter's "Carmen Fantasy", (I am making an assumption here, based on my listening experience) or are they like the PentaTone RQRs, and some Sonys ?

Post by raffells March 24, 2006 (2 of 7)
Windsurfer said:

Vaclav Neumann passed away in 1995, Does this recording manage to be "multi-channel" the same way the Membrans are, and the DG disc of Anne Sophie Mutter's "Carmen Fantasy", (I am making an assumption here, based on my listening experience) or are they like the PentaTone RQRs, and some Sonys ?

Sorry cannot answer exactly but he recorded it twice at Supraphon and the earlier analogue was SQ and the later 1992 ish version was just Digital. He also recorded for Orfeo as well with the same orchestra.All my discs from then are just stereo..D

Post by akiralx March 25, 2006 (3 of 7)
raffells said:

Sorry cannot answer exactly but he recorded it twice at Supraphon and the earlier analogue was SQ and the later 1992 ish version was just Digital. He also recorded for Orfeo as well with the same orchestra.All my discs from then are just stereo..D

Yes, that early 1990s series of Dvorak symphonies is very good - in fact the Seventh is my favourite version of all. Still I wish they'd reissue the LSO/Dorati one on SACD...

Post by jeff3948 January 3, 2014 (4 of 7)
I was seriously thinking of buying this because of Exton's generally high quality until I too check to see if Neumann was still alive and discovered that there is at least 1 complete set in digital set done in the late 1980's NOT the 1990's by Supraphon and another done in the late 1960's and early 1970's also on Supraphon supposedly in quadrophonic sound, but I could not verify this. It would really be nice to know which source this current release of No. 9 was taken from. Does anyone know? Does anyone have this release and can relay any information that may be provided by Exton in the booklet and/or back insert?

Post by Joseph Ponessa January 3, 2014 (5 of 7)
jeff3948 said:

It would really be nice to know which source this current release of No. 9 was taken from. Does anyone know?

I have the DVD-Audio. The booklet is in Japanese, but the table of contents say that this was recorded on 4-7 January 1995 at the Rudolfinum Dvorákova sin "House of Artist" Prague and was mixed and mastered at EXTON Studio, Yokohama. It is not a Supraphon recording. Hiroshi Hirai was Executive Producer for Pony Canyon Inc of Japan, and he joined Tomoyuki Nonomura in charge of the DVD Audio transfer at the Panasonic DVD Authoring Center, Rappongi. The resulting DVD-A has stereo sound only, in 192k, and is very good.
The DVD-A cover proclaims "DSD." Perhaps the original tapes were saved to DSD and mastered from there to DVD-A. I doubt it means that the original recording was DSD, because 1995 was a little early for that. However, either way, the SACD release of this disc should involve fewer conversions of format than the DVD-A does.
As for the multi-channel aspect of the SACD, I don't know what to think. If it were original, wouldn't they have put it on the DVD-A? In any event the SACD must go back to a different transfer from the original tapes, because the stereo DSD copy would not be a suitable source for a multichannel SACD.
EXTON released another DVD-A with the same forces doing Dvorak's Eighth and Ninth, but those were recording in Japan while they were on tour there in 1991. That also is called DSD on the DVD-A cover, and absolutely cannot mean original DSD recording.

Post by jeff3948 January 4, 2014 (6 of 7)
Joseph Ponessa said:

I have the DVD-Audio. The booklet is in Japanese, but the table of contents say that this was recorded on 4-7 January 1995 at the Rudolfinum Dvorákova sin "House of Artist" Prague and was mixed and mastered at EXTON Studio, Yokohama...
As for the multi-channel aspect of the SACD, I don't know what to think. If it were original, wouldn't they have put it on the DVD-A? In any event the SACD must go back to a different transfer from the original tapes, because the stereo DSD copy would not be a suitable source for a multichannel SACD.
EXTON released another DVD-A with the same forces doing Dvorak's Eighth and Ninth, but those were recording in Japan while they were on tour there in 1991. That also is called DSD on the DVD-A cover, and absolutely cannot mean original DSD recording.

Hi Joseph,

It does seem reasonable to assume that if the original recording was done in surround sound that the DVD-A would have been mastered in surround sound as well, because one of the major selling points of DVD-A when it was introduced in 1999 was it's ability for 5.1 channels in direct competition to the SACD format at the same time. Since there are so many other Dvorak No.9's available in SACD true surround sound I'm going to pass on this one, as I have to allocate my SACD "fund" very frugally these days.

Thanks for the information.
Jeff

Post by Joseph Ponessa January 4, 2014 (7 of 7)
jeff3948 said:

Since there are so many other Dvorak No.9's available in SACD true surround sound I'm going to pass on this one.

That's a good call. I have heard only several of the 30-odd Dvorak Ninths available in SACD, and none of them have reached out to grab me by the collar.
Two blu-rays have my highest recommendation:
-- Karajan conducting Dvorak 9 in Berlin and Mozart Turkish Concerto with Menuhin in Vienna;
-- Thomas Dausgaard conducting Brahms 1, Dvorak 9, Sibelius 5 and Nielsen 3 in Copenhagen.

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