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Discussion: Schnittke: Symphony No. 3 - Jurowski

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Post by Clavicembalisticum January 22, 2015 (11 of 21)
sylvian said:

I am rather looking for the performance than number of channels. Of course minimum is 2-channel stereo.

+1 My system is stereo, so more than that is superfluous to me. I do have some mono piano recordings that actually have more accurate imaging than most stereo discs. If the mics are too close, then the one on the left mainly picks up the treble notes, which are actually on the right-hand side of the keyboard! (and vice-versa for the left mic.)

Post by Chris January 23, 2015 (12 of 21)
For those interested in getting a taste of this music Qobuz already has it announced for release with snippets to listen to to get at least an idea of what to expect from the full release musically.
It also seems,judging by the information at Pentatone's homesite,that once again from Pentatone in Berlin the native recording is 24/96 pcm,not DSD.
I will skip both that site and expensive Primephonic and buy the stereo pcm masterfiles from Qobuz at a better price.

Post by sunnydaler February 16, 2015 (13 of 21)

Post by Clavicembalisticum February 18, 2015 (14 of 21)
I got this disc today. It definitely has amazing sound and will test your system's ability to resolve complex layers of sound. The music has a number of "WTF" moments, but it has its own charms, I suppose. Not a fan of the cover, though. Since Schnittke is the composer, how about a picture of him instead of the conductor? Or maybe an abstract rendering of the music? Try harder, Pentatone. (And most other labels, for that matter!)

Post by rio98765 March 24, 2015 (15 of 21)
Clavicembalisticum said:

+1 My system is stereo, so more than that is superfluous to me. I do have some mono piano recordings that actually have more accurate imaging than most stereo discs. If the mics are too close, then the one on the left mainly picks up the treble notes, which are actually on the right-hand side of the keyboard! (and vice-versa for the left mic.)pianist and so art heard slightly left of centre.

That 2-ch stereo sound you're hearing is actually correct from the audience point-of-view. The short high-pitched strings are close to the pianist and are heard slightly left of centre. The lowest strings run the full length of the instrument, so lower notes are noticeably right of centre.

Of course, the pianist hears it as you describe. But by far most engineers go with the audience. And when the treble is on the right, I tend to suspect it's more likely to be a channel-reversal error!

Post by rio98765 March 24, 2015 (16 of 21)
krisjan said:

I think BIS holds the record putting 255 minutes of stereo SACD on a single disc.

Mendelssohn: Complete String Symphonies - Markiz

Mendelssohn: Complete Concertos - Markiz

I'm more than a little suspicious of this. I have the Complete Organ Music of Bach played by Hans Fagius on BlS. Five SACDs each hold an average of 242 minutes each. But this is not claimed to be anything more than CD quality - the original recording was on 18 CDs.

The five discs were sold for the price of two, and BlS's advice for those who didn't have an SACD player was: "May we suggest that you buy this box and an SACD player. In all you should pay no more than the original 18 CDs would have cost."

Amen to that!!

Of course these ARE real SACDs and the encoding has to be DSD by definition. BlS is crystal-clear on the source here, and use SACD to give us quantity as well as value. Others are not so honest, as I'm sure we all have experienced.

Post by Vaan April 22, 2015 (17 of 21)
Audiophile.no writes in his/her review:

"It opens in first movement Moderato with a harmony that grows to a crescendo and then toggle to fall off, and grow again."

What does that mean? How can anything grow to a crescendo when it is the growing that is the crescendo!

Post by bissie April 23, 2015 (18 of 21)
rio98765 said:

I'm more than a little suspicious of this. I have the Complete Organ Music of Bach played by Hans Fagius on BlS. Five SACDs each hold an average of 242 minutes each. But this is not claimed to be anything more than CD quality - the original recording was on 18 CDs.

The five discs were sold for the price of two, and BlS's advice for those who didn't have an SACD player was: "May we suggest that you buy this box and an SACD player. In all you should pay no more than the original 18 CDs would have cost."

Amen to that!!

Of course these ARE real SACDs and the encoding has to be DSD by definition. BlS is crystal-clear on the source here, and use SACD to give us quantity as well as value. Others are not so honest, as I'm sure we all have experienced.

So, just to absolutely clear on it:

the two Mendelssohn recordings you refer to are both stereo and CD quality (16/44,1) and nothing else. So is the Dowland Complete Lute Music.

They all contain 4 hours+ of music (each) and are sold at the price of a single CD.

Robert

Post by hanser April 24, 2015 (19 of 21)
Back to topic: Has anybody compared with the classic BIS recording of this symphony on RBCD, that I own and like very much? Any improvements apart of surround and technical specs? Interpretation?

Post by Audiophile.no April 24, 2015 (20 of 21)
Vaan said:

Audiophile.no writes in his/her review:

"It opens in first movement Moderato with a harmony that grows to a crescendo and then toggle to fall off, and grow again."

What does that mean? How can anything grow to a crescendo when it is the growing that is the crescendo!

You are right - I should rather Write "grows in a crescendo".
And it is "his review"

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