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Discussion: The Steinmeyer Organ in Nidaros Cathedral - Draagen

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Post by Lute April 2, 2015 (1 of 12)
Thanks for your splendid review, Geohominid.

I recently got Bach: Schübler & Leipzig Chorales, Canonic Variations - Nordstoga, and have been listening to it on a daily basis. I love these gentle, quiet, contemplative pieces of J.S. Bach. They bring a smile to my face, not only for their charming beauty, but also because (for me) they bring back fond memories of the era of cassettes. I remember so many side A's and/or side B's ending with one of these enchanting pieces. We are fortunate, indeed, to be able to listen to them in such magnificent hirez surround sound.

This new release by Lawo looks equally attractive. A very intriguing program list! I am very eager to listen to it.

And let me say once again what a pleasure it is to read your reviews, John.

Post by pacwin April 11, 2015 (2 of 12)
Just to be clear that this is a multichannel hybrid (7090020180878, LWC 1075). At least one person reports that on receipt it is a CD after buying based on this review. Most vendors report it as a CD including their distributors like New Arts International and Allegro. This one is a bit unusual in that it does have a multichannel download available in HiRes. On the other hand Lawo are very poor at conveying what they are actually selling.

Post by Audio Ed April 11, 2015 (3 of 12)
I purchase this too based on the review. I am a 2 channel listener and I was sorry to put this in and see it come up as a CD. The music and sound are good but I was expecting an SACD. I am sure it sounds awesome as a Mch SACD but that was not what I expected.

Post by Lute April 11, 2015 (4 of 12)
Thanks for the warning! I know what you mean about not always knowing what you're getting with Lawo. The other day I came across Mahler: Symphony No. 1 - Petrenko. I discovered it was not only in SACD stereo but also in dynamic 5.0 DXD!!

So, it might be worthwhile to do some checking before purchasing.

Recently I also had a similar issue with an older Harmonia Mundi release...Charpentier: Te Deum - Christie. The SACD case only says STEREO. I almost didn't buy it. But according to this site, it's a Mch/Stereo hybrid. And indeed it is Mch when I put it in my player.

Post by pacwin April 14, 2015 (5 of 12)
Geohominid thoughts please.

Post by Geohominid April 14, 2015 (6 of 12)
I'm puzzled by the assertion that at least one copy is in stereo. Recently, I was in touch with Lawo's engineer, and was assured that the Steinmeyer Organ disk was recorded in DXD, resampled to DSD for SACD. It is a hybrid, and I can verify that, as I played separately DSD Multichannel 5.0, DSD Stereo and CD for my review.

I agree that Lawo are careless both on their website listings and on the digipak. In the case of the Steinmeyer disc, the line "SACD SURROUND 5.0/SACD STEREO/CD STEREO" can be found on the back of the pak, right at the bottom and close to the barcode in a fount which is about 1mm high. The disc playing surface is gold, an indication of SACD (the CD layer is below). Lawo do not publish separate CD and SACD editions.

Without knowing the exact circumstances of Audio Ed's purchase I'm afraid I can't help, beyond suggesting a glitch in the player which played the CD track even though it was set for default as multichannel (this has happened to me once or twice in different players). I don't know if it is possible for a disc having laid down the CD layer somehow skipping the SACD layer and somehow getting into the finishing and packing line - which I think would be a remote occurrence. If there are more than 1 or 2 discs not playing SACD, then it could well be a pressing fault.

Perhaps Audio Ed could let us know if any further information arises from his vendor, and I hope that he gets a properly hybrid disc in exchange.


Post by old-dog-newtricks April 14, 2015 (7 of 12)
My copy is a 'normal' hybrid multi channel version - and very good it is too. It really demonstrates the capability of a very interesting instrument.

Post by AmonRa May 21, 2015 (8 of 12)
I ordered the disk from, and it is a CD. No mention of SACD on the disk or the case, actually there is small print "stereo CD" on the back, and Oppo 103 plays it with 2 channels only. It also looks like a CD, not SACD.

Amazon website also does not mention anything about MCH or SACD.


Post by AmonRa May 21, 2015 (9 of 12)
pacwin said:

Just to be clear that this is a multichannel hybrid (7090020180878, LWC 1075).

I have exactly the same codes on my CD...

Post by Geohominid May 26, 2015 (10 of 12)
I've been in touch with Lawo Classics to see why this problem had emerged. The answer seems quite clear:
"The CD was originally produced as CD stereo, and 200 copies were sent out to our international distributor. The recording then proved to be very popular and in demand, so we decided to re-issue it as SACD and print more copies. The CD Stereo copies have never been promoted as anything but that – CD. However, if anyone is unhappy with their purchase, and would like to change their CD for an SACD, they can just return it to us, and we’ll send them the updated version."

I'm sure that stereo or multichannel, you will enjoy the SACD.

John (Geohominid)

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