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Discussion: Mahler: Symphony No. 9 - Fischer

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Post by Luukas April 11, 2015 (1 of 36)
After their successful albums, Fischer records now Mahler's Ninth Symphony. I guess that this might be as good as their previous releases. Fischer is truly Mahlerian his interpretations are always very impressive. What do you think?

Post by channel April 12, 2015 (2 of 36)
Luukas said:

After their successful albums, Fischer records now Mahler's Ninth Symphony. I guess that this might be as good as their previous releases. Fischer is truly Mahlerian his interpretations are always very impressive. What do you think?

Last week I did the final listening (three times for the three different layers) and I can honestly say this is the most emotionally draining listening I have ever done. I also think that this has been some of the best work Hein Dekker and I have done to date with the BFO.
What is really an important fact is with the first and second violins sitting across from each other, ( the basses in the middle back) their sound reaches you in this balanced way is such a listening experience which fits perfectly with the music. The opening of the 4th movement is a perfect example of how this heightens the moment. Being released the middle of May.
Greetings
Jared Sacks

Post by fausto K April 12, 2015 (3 of 36)
channel said:

Last week I did the final listening (three times for the three different layers) and I can honestly say this is the most emotionally draining listening I have ever done. I also think that this has been some of the best work Hein Dekker and I have done to date with the BFO.
What is really an important fact is with the first and second violins sitting across from each other, ( the basses in the middle back) their sound reaches you in this balanced way is such a listening experience which fits perfectly with the music. The opening of the 4th movement is a perfect example of how this heightens the moment. Being released the middle of May.
Greetings
Jared Sacks

very much looking forward to this one

Post by diw April 20, 2015 (4 of 36)
Jared, previously you have mentioned that a complete Mahler cycle was not planned. Nevertheless, you are closing in on one! So now is the time to ask the key question: Any chance Ivan/BPO/Channel could record the Mahler/Cooke Symphony 10 performing version? I suspect a bunch of us would be happy to see that.

Post by wehecht April 20, 2015 (5 of 36)
diw said:

Jared, previously you have mentioned that a complete Mahler cycle was not planned. Nevertheless, you are closing in on one! So now is the time to ask the key question: Any chance Ivan/BPO/Channel could record the Mahler/Cooke Symphony 10 performing version? I suspect a bunch of us would be happy to see that.

You betcha!

Post by channel April 20, 2015 (6 of 36)
diw said:

Jared, previously you have mentioned that a complete Mahler cycle was not planned. Nevertheless, you are closing in on one! So now is the time to ask the key question: Any chance Ivan/BPO/Channel could record the Mahler/Cooke Symphony 10 performing version? I suspect a bunch of us would be happy to see that.

We are recording no 7 in September. no. 3 next spring.
No plans for any further Mahler...... I can always ask about the 10th but I don't think Ivan will do this as it needs to be planned first for concert tours etc. before recording.
We will see!
jared

Post by diw April 20, 2015 (7 of 36)
Well I don't expect that I have much influence in this regard, but yes please ask!

Post by stvnharr April 20, 2015 (8 of 36)
channel said:

We are recording no 7 in September. no. 3 next spring.

jared

Good Enough!

Post by Johnno April 20, 2015 (9 of 36)
fausto K said:

very much looking forward to this one

So am I. I have all of Ivan's Mahler to date. I already have the Gilbert SACD of the ninth but, quite frankly, I'm a little disappointed with it. The 'live" Karajan DGG is an experience not to be missed. That finale is ....

Post by fausto K April 25, 2015 (10 of 36)
Judging from the timings for the movements alone, it is probably safe to assume this is not going to become a reference Mahler 9, notwithstanding its undoubted sonic qualities (!). The tempo for the adagio, in which the dying away of the musical action is of paramount importance, is rather brisk at 22:45 (75:52 for the symphony overall). Of the recordings that I possess (I have 21) only Bruno Walter (1938) is faster (much faster!) in this movement at 18:10 (and overall at 69:42), and Boulez, archmodernist, is also faster in this movement, 21:25 (although not for the symphony overall), similar to Maderna at 21:28. Bernstein 1965 is close to Fischer at 22:59 (but slower overall).

All others (Zander '99; Haitink '70 & 2012; Salonen 2010; Abbado 2002 & 2010; Bernstein '79; Karajan '82; Rattle '98 & 2007) observe broader, sometimes much broader, tempos, ranging from 23:10 (Haitink 2012) to 28:11 (Abbado 2010). This holds even more so for the following SACDs I own (with timings for the adagio):

Mahler: Symphony No. 9 - Chailly 28:24
Mahler: Symphony No. 9 - Gergiev 24:24
Mahler: Symphony No. 9 - Oue 30:27
Mahler: Symphony No. 9 - Gilbert 26:27
Mahler: Symphony No. 9 - Zinman 28:46
Mahler: Symphony No. 9 - Nott 25:18
Mahler: Symphony No. 9 - San Francisco/Michael Tilson Thomas 27:50

While Oue is, noticeably, at the other extreme (only Eschenbach has managed to supersede this live, in my experience at least, with over 33 min), among modern recordings Fischer's is clearly an outlier in respect of timings, and for Mahler 9 this would appear crucial, as is rightly noted in the so-so review of Mahler: Symphony No. 9 & Adagio from No. 10 - Stenz's recording at http://magazin.klassik.com/reviews/reviews.cfm?TASK=REVIEW&RECID=26709&REID=15635.
However, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, so we'll see what sonic bliss Ivan Fischer will bring us.

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