Thread: How many SACD's does the average SA-CD.net user's have????

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Post by peteyspambucket March 15, 2004 (21 of 315)
This is a very interesting pissing contest. I come up shorter than most of you at approximately 50 SACDs. About half are pop and half are classical.

Post by nucaleena March 15, 2004 (22 of 315)
peteyspambucket said:

This is a very interesting pissing contest. I come up shorter than most of you at approximately 50 SACDs. About half are pop and half are classical.

as i've intimated before in forum, we all have too much money, too much time and are typically, self indulgently male. Which in this case, is quite fun.

Post by Compression Must Die March 30, 2004 (23 of 315)
I own approximately 60, about 50% of which is classical. IMHO, SACD won't be really be accepted in the consumer mainstream until it spends the time and resources to remaster/update a mix of at least 40%-50% classic rock titles for a few years. MFSL in its heyday was releasing at least this percentage level of classic rock.

Unfortunately, too many of the "classic rock" SACDs already released (Journey, SRV, Frampton, Boston, The Police) don't really give many listening advantages over remastered redbook CDs and certainly not over good vinyl (not that Joe Consumer would know that). But the releases that had extra effort put into them (DSOTM, Tommy, My Generation) I believe do show off the SACD format. Giving the consumer what he wants and blowing him away when he gets it will help to sway the populice (assuming the system they listen on can reveal the sonic differences...but that's another story).

Interestingly enough, a lot of kids are now listening to classic rock titles (Who, Floyd, Beatles, Zeppelin) from their parent's collections over current sludge. Here's an article in today's USA today about it:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2004-03-29-classic-rock-kids_x.htm

Post by peteyspambucket March 30, 2004 (24 of 315)
Compression Must Die said:

I own approximately 60, about 50% of which is classical. IMHO, SACD won't be really be accepted in the consumer mainstream until it spends the time and resources to remaster/update a mix of at least 40%-50% classic rock titles for a few years. MFSL in its heyday was releasing at least this percentage level of classic rock.

Unfortunately, too many of the "classic rock" SACDs already released (Journey, SRV, Frampton, Boston, The Police) don't really give many listening advantages over remastered redbook CDs and certainly not over good vinyl (not that Joe Consumer would know that). But the releases that had extra effort put into them (DSOTM, Tommy, My Generation) I believe do show off the SACD format. Giving the consumer what he wants and blowing him away when he gets it will help to sway the populice (assuming the system they listen on can reveal the sonic differences...but that's another story).

Interestingly enough, a lot of kids are now listening to classic rock titles (Who, Floyd, Beatles, Zeppelin) from their parent's collections over current sludge. Here's an article in today's USA today about it:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2004-03-29-classic-rock-kids_x.htm

I agree with your opinion that SACD needs an infusion of classic rock titles. From what I understand, it has been difficult to get artist and label support to get original tapes and spend additional money to remaster the material.

I can't say whether the artists SHOULD or SHOULD NOT endorse the additional work because they all have their reasons, but I have to think that if they don't do it, their stuff will eventually make it to another format in the future anyway when they are much older or perhaps deceased. And then they would not have the artistic control that they would have today.

Mainstream artists that would make a difference to SACD would be Fleetwood Mac, Don Henley/Eagles, The Beatles, Paul McCartney, Kansas, Janet Jackson, U2, Coldplay, Madonna, Smashing Pumpkins, nSync/Justin Timberlake, Led Zeppelin, Seal, etc... I could keep adding but you get the point.

Post by vonwegen April 3, 2004 (25 of 315)
vandedave@yahoo.com said:

but if Sony and their cohorts want this format to take-off then they'll deliver SACD releases of true sonic achievement such as the Velvet Underground's "White Light, White Heat", the forthcoming Beach Boys' "Smile", Wilco's "Summerteeth", Spiritualized's "Ladies and Gentlemen We are Floating in Space" and many more titles relevent to contemporary popular music.

These corporate douche-bags are ruining a beautiful format! I wonder, why did CD take-off so much quicker?

AMEN to that!

I would LOVE to hear "Sister Ray" in a well-produced 5.1 mix--and yes, it is possible! I'm a Pro Tools user, and I know something about what is possible, deapite all the leakage issues.

And I would buy Brian Wilson's completed "Smile'" in a heartbeat if it gets issued on SACD in surround--I saw his concert in Frankfurt, and it was truly wonderful.

Thing is, the pop/rock departments of the major labels are run by idiots (with jazz it seems to be less so). When I played in a band, I had the misfortune to meet some of those fools--still makes me feel like I've been slimed...

How did CDs take off so much quicker? Titles out the wazoo--which was easy because all those corporate douche-bags did was dust off the 2-track vinyl masters and encode them in PCM!

Post by oryan_dunn July 15, 2004 (26 of 315)
Since I'm in college and generally have a lack of money, I only have 8 SACDs and 2 DVD-A, but there are many more that I really want. I agree with others that if SACD or DVD-a for the matter is going to take off big time, then they have to release more punk, rap, and other music which I don't care too much for. I wonder how much more it costs to mix and produce an SACD hybrid disk? If they really wanted sales to increase, only release new music in hybrid SACD instead of CD. Is there a downside to this? Do some CD only players not play hybrid disks? Also, can the CD layer of a hybrid be copied? If not, it seems like the perfect solution to anti-piracy.

Thoughts?

Ryan

Post by Karlosak July 22, 2004 (27 of 315)
Unfortunately the CD layer of the hybrid SACDs can be copied just as normal CDs. But if it couldn't be, it wouldn't solve much. They (pirates) would get the CD version of it instead and grab it from that. The copy protection of the CD layer could even prevent some people from buying these hybrid SACDs - every kind of copy protection used nowadays is degrading the sound quality or cause playback problems on some machines. I personally hates that (and a lot of purchasers would agree) - additionally it's very easy to break these "protections" and grab the disc (know from my experience).

So in my opinion, the current state of the hybrid SACDs is the best as it is - it can easily "flow" into the shelves of the customers unaware of SACDs and used to CDs. Then, when they discover how good SACD is, it won't be a problem to switch to a new format, having couple of discs in their collection already. We just need to see more releases and the prices must go down to be as close to CD as possible.

Post by jaybird100 May 11, 2006 (28 of 315)
It might be too little, too late. Sony has already scaled back a lot on SACD releases, and so has UMG. Most of the releases these days are specialty labels, such as Telarc. Had Sony really had the faith in SACD they should have, we'd have SACD-capable car stereos, portables, etc. But they never offered the format beyond the home environment, and that seems to have hurt the chances of SACD going mass market. Add to that the fact that not all SACD releases have been hybrid, and I think you see where I'm going. I also looked at the lists of artists many people posted here as who would give SACD the shot in the arm it needs, but many are on labels which only support DVD-A. And speaking of that, the Dual Disc seems to be fading almost as fast as it got started. Sony hasn't released one with surround sound since last fall. We see the occasional WMG and UMG release with surround, but it ain't enough! I like my music to surround me. I want to feel like I'm part of it. But it appears there aren't enough music lovers out there who share our passion. iPOD's? Yecch! MP3? Gimme a break!
Let's PROgress, not REgress.

Post by wehecht May 11, 2006 (29 of 315)
Tireguy said:

I am curious about the numbers. As it stands I am some where in the low 200 SACD disc range.

About 220 sacd, 20 dvd-a, all but 2 classical, 3 players (2 universal).

Post by soundboy May 11, 2006 (30 of 315)
I've about 250 SACDs now....less than 10% being classical.

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