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Discussion: Mahler: Symphony No. 6 - Fischer

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Post by Windsurfer August 25, 2006 (1 of 16)
George Flanagin in his review asks:


"All the orchestral climaxes are loud and uncompressed, and the playback is truly without strain. QUESTION FOR READERS: I have begun to wonder if there is not a subjective expectation of distortion during loud passages, and as home listeners we translate that strain in the sound into an emotional perception of stress in the music?"

My answer is I really don't think so George. I will acquire this solely on your say so that the playback is truly without strain! However, one should realize that some amplifiers are not up to the job of driving some speakers and in that case when things get loud, things get tough!

Anyway strain free loud passaged especially the closing bars of the fourth movement are something of a quest for me.

Post by pgmdir August 25, 2006 (2 of 16)
I've never cared much for Mahler 6 until I got this one. Supurb. Sounds spectacular as well. I'm looking forward to his Mahler 2.

About 50 years ago, Columbia records decided to put out a good phonograph. They put in a good, solid amplifier, and a speaker which was head and shoulders above similar units. It sales were absolutely dismal until they introduced about 5 percent distortion to make it sound LOUNDER.

Strain-free climaxes are a good thing. (I can't believe I just wrote that!)/

Post by mdt August 25, 2006 (3 of 16)
Windsurfer said:

George Flanagin in his review asks:


"All the orchestral climaxes are loud and uncompressed, and the playback is truly without strain. QUESTION FOR READERS: I have begun to wonder if there is not a subjective expectation of distortion during loud passages, and as home listeners we translate that strain in the sound into an emotional perception of stress in the music?"

My answer is I really don't think so George. I will acquire this solely on your say so that the playback is truly without strain! However, one should realize that some amplifiers are not up to the job of driving some speakers and in that case when things get loud, things get tough!

Anyway strain free loud passaged especially the closing bars of the fourth movement are something of a quest for me.

I can believe the sound on this would be stress free on orchestral climaxes and i would attribute it to the hall. It seems to be a similar design to the KKL in Lucerne, which i have experienced as sounding extremely clear.
In the KKL the tight bass reproduction and the presence of very quiet passages is especially astounding.Whow does this recording perform regarding those parameters?

Post by seth August 25, 2006 (4 of 16)
Windsurfer said:

George Flanagin in his review asks:


"All the orchestral climaxes are loud and uncompressed, and the playback is truly without strain. QUESTION FOR READERS: I have begun to wonder if there is not a subjective expectation of distortion during loud passages, and as home listeners we translate that strain in the sound into an emotional perception of stress in the music?"

My answer is I really don't think so George. I will acquire this solely on your say so that the playback is truly without strain! However, one should realize that some amplifiers are not up to the job of driving some speakers and in that case when things get loud, things get tough!

Anyway strain free loud passaged especially the closing bars of the fourth movement are something of a quest for me.

I guess I'm still in the minority of who is not impressed with the recorded sound of this recording. I recently acquired Levi's recording on Telarc which I think is overall superior (though the cow bells don't come through well), and Gielen's still has the best deep bass.

I'm eager to see if the folks at Polyhymnia were able to capture Verizon's excellent handling of deep bass during Philly's performances last fall.

Post by Edvin August 26, 2006 (5 of 16)
Minority perhaps, but not alone. I don´t like it either as a performance or recording. The slow movement is far to fast and the whole thing is a bit light weight compared to MTT or Jansons.

Post by mdt August 26, 2006 (6 of 16)
seth said:


I'm eager to see if the folks at Polyhymnia were able to capture Verizon's excellent handling of deep bass during Philly's performances last fall.

On the recording with Bartok's Concerto for orchestra etc. they were able

PS.: isn't verizon hall's acoustic desing by Rusell Johnson as well?

Post by seth August 26, 2006 (7 of 16)
mdt said:

On the recording with Bartok's Concerto for orchestra etc. they were able

PS.: isn't verizon hall's acoustic desing by Rusell Johnson as well?

Eh, not entirely. A bass drum wack in Verizon is quite impressive -- it will be even more interesting to see how the last movement of the Tchaikovsky 4 comes out on disc.

And yes, R.J did it too.

Post by seth August 26, 2006 (8 of 16)
Edvin said:

Minority perhaps, but not alone. I don´t like it either as a performance or recording. The slow movement is far to fast and the whole thing is a bit light weight compared to MTT or Jansons.

Yes, it's just average.

Post by mdt August 26, 2006 (9 of 16)
seth said:

Yes, it's just average.

And what do you people think about Abbado's recording (DGG)?

Post by seth August 26, 2006 (10 of 16)
mdt said:

And what do you people think about Abbado's recording (DGG)?

Have not heard it.

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