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Discussion: Greenberg: Symphony No. 5, Quintet for Strings - Serebrier

Posts: 7

Post by raffells August 27, 2006 (1 of 7)
More of a first report after 3 plays than a discussion.Quite a remarkable sacd both sound quality and composition and playing.This is definitely a fully worked out symphony which will give out plenty of pleasure and interest.Historically it looks back at a number of composers styles and the symphony would certainly be interesting as a Guess the composer party piece? you would never get a winner...At some stages I wondered ? RVW more dramatic symphonies then a Brahms quality and then a slightly more modern Europeans came to mind.Then my son picked out a very short American motif which I missed..Interesting to hear what others come up with..Not that this is in any way a criticism more an indication of the style and excellent quality of the composition.Buying this is not even takling a chance.
.I for one and getting a bit bored at hearing modern definite third rate composers writing film type music that has possibly one good tune, albeit very thin and getting a whole score symphonically whitewashed around this and a few other action shots music. .This is then sold to us as symphonic masterpiece.This sacd music is more the real symphonic thing.
The quintet is probably even more interesting and to me totally differnt in its sound world.Obviously superbly played and recorded and the "reference composers ? are to me even more interesting.also a curious string balamce with 2 cellos.I do hope this is not the only disc we get to hear from the young prodigy and that he doesnt wander too far from these musical worlds.. as I have also had enough of plink plonk plick...Buy it..

Post by ramesh August 27, 2006 (2 of 7)
raffells said:
as I have also had enough of plink plonk plick...Buy it..

Is this the thirteen-year-old- boy written up by the New York Times? Do you diagnose incipient Adès, or is the prognosis more hopeful?

There is one way to bone up on the Western classical tradition. Now that Anne-Sophie Mutter is available again, he could try to marry her, as she seems to prefer thirty year age differences. That cover article from 'Grannyphone' with her and Andre said that they both value intense musical partnerships.

NB Has anyone noticed that people who are 'honoured' with a 'Grannyphone' cover end up being divorced? Oh yes, and the October 1997 cover has Robert King on 'life after Purcell'.

Post by Chris August 27, 2006 (3 of 7)
ramesh said:

Is this the thirteen-year-old- boy written up by the New York Times? Do you diagnose incipient Adès, or is the prognosis more hopeful?

There is one way to bone up on the Western classical tradition. Now that Anne-Sophie Mutter is available again, he could try to marry her, as she seems to prefer thirty year age differences. That cover article from 'Grannyphone' with her and Andre said that they both value intense musical partnerships.

NB Has anyone noticed that people who are 'honoured' with a 'Grannyphone' cover end up being divorced? Oh yes, and the October 1997 cover has Robert King on 'life after Purcell'.

This "Kid" has by his teachers at Julliard I think, been described as possibly the Mozart of our days.
To me that sounds very very interesting indeed.And I will get this record asap!
Regarding Mutter being available again.How do you know?
And have you got her phone number?
I haven't quite got the right age gap you are suggesting.
But oh my GOD, I was very tempted, the one and so far, only time I've had her close enough for a hug and a peck.
Maybe there's still hope!
Jokes apart. Don't dismiss Jay Greenberg unheard.
I wouldn't
All the best Chris.

Post by raffells August 27, 2006 (4 of 7)
ramesh said:

Is this the thirteen-year-old- boy written up by the New York Times? Do you diagnose incipient Adès, or is the prognosis more hopeful?

There is one way to bone up on the Western classical tradition. Now that Anne-Sophie Mutter is available again, he could try to marry her, as she seems to prefer thirty year age differences. That cover article from 'Grannyphone' with her and Andre said that they both value intense musical partnerships.

NB Has anyone noticed that people who are 'honoured' with a 'Grannyphone' cover end up being divorced? Oh yes, and the October 1997 cover has Robert King on 'life after Purcell'.

To the first question,.....which I understood.?..Yes and No.He was thirteen once born in 1992.
I dont get the New York Times...do you?..
Sorry but Im not qualified to diagnose much, except I understood ADE to be the Association of Departments of English.....Which may or may not be relevant ?.used a search engine to find that out.
HE has included some notes written in English that are within the sacd.I had no problem understanding them..
As regards him getting boned with Anne Sophie he will first have to wait a couple of years to avoid legal problems and secondly, join the queue..
Cannot remember mentioning Purcell in my thread or Robert King.Whoverer they are..Dont subscibe to Grammie either..lots of the composers shown on the cover are dead..prooves nothing.Dave

Post by Peter August 27, 2006 (5 of 7)

Post by mwagner1962 August 29, 2006 (6 of 7)
I have this SACD and when I bought it, I had no idea as to what to expect from a 12-14 year old (when this music was written)...

Boy, was I ever impressed!!! Very mature, bold, original (though I hear plenty of Bartokian influence, which is nothing wrong) and fascinating to listen to.

I agree with many who feel that Jay Greenberg is a true modern prodigy of the likes of Mendelssohn, Mozart and Britten.

Bring on more great stuff!!! Kudos to Sony fro taking a gamble on this truly talented kid!!!!

Cheers,

Post by ramesh August 30, 2006 (7 of 7)
Yes,
this is the same young man that the NYT and the excellent music critic of the 'New Yorker' raved about. Hopefully, he won't suffer from the Kiss of Adès. People may recall when EMI brought out their first Adès CDs, when the composer was quite young, though not as precocious as this American lad, critics like Andrew Porter were hailing him as potentially the greatest British composer since Great Britten. Porter even compared Adès to Couperin. ( Now Adès is on the cover of Grannyphone. No suit or tie, but some buttons undone to show some cleavage and presumably increase sales. Beard stubble like Valery Gergiev. )
The only reason I mention this is that the American critics haven't lost their head by proposing this is the new Bernstein, Rorem, Copland, Piston etc. However, their choice of vocabulary is interesting, mentioning 'romantic' and 'Brahms'. How times have changed. Many years ago, young aspiring classical composers had to flaunt their street cred by appearing to be enfants terrible. Now, canny critics want to whip up enthusiasm amongst the public, or at least not put prospective buyers off by suggestions of esotericism. I'm not saying that this is right or wrong, merely mentioning it as a sociological observation.

Noticing the discussion on the Salonen/Rite of Spring thread, surely the same applies to this Sony disc. How many new Sony SACDs are on the horizon? The last Sony SACD I bought featured the violinist Skride, and this was a stereo only recording made by Deutschlands Radio.

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