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Discussion: Bach: The Four Great Toccatas and Fugues - E. Power Biggs

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Post by nucaleena April 10, 2004 (1 of 57)
Re. Monteverdi's review of this disc, - Aaron, I'd be very interested to hear your views on the success of the remastering of the original quadrophonic tapes. What are the surround characteristics of this SACD?

Post by pjorgenunes April 30, 2004 (2 of 57)
I've bought this sacd on amazon.com and received it just two days ago.

I must confirm (to be sure if mine is defective) with someone that has or have heard this sacd the following:

The beggining sounds great: organs on front channels, echo/reverbation on surround ones (I believe to reproduce the accoustics of the place of recording)

After the loud part of the beggining something very strange happens: the quitter part it's almost inaudible even at higher volumes. What I believe is that some organs (the surround ones) are just missing and I just ear the echo/reverbation on the front channels.

I assure (I've around 10 sacds) that my system is fine.

It seems that the main sound of one or two of the four organs it's not on my sacd. Do your copies have the same problem? It's not a problem?

If it's not a problem how in the world everybothy says on their reviews 5 stars out of 5?

Thanks in advance. This is urgent because if defective I must return it soon. If not I must sell it and place a 1 star review...

Post by pann May 1, 2004 (3 of 57)
pjorgenunes said:

It seems that the main sound of one or two of the four organs it's not on my sacd. Do your copies have the same problem? It's not a problem?

The line-notes said that this particular cathedral has four organs strategically placed in the cathedral. Each organ has its own console, then there is an additional master console, which controls all organs and can play theall four organs simultaneously.

I think our old EP must having fun playing his toy, letting the sound swirling around.

BTW, his playing was as always, exemplary! Performance 5, Sound 4

Th above has been "copy/paste"ed to my review file.

Post by wn May 2, 2004 (4 of 57)
pjorgenunes said:

It seems that the main sound of one or two of the four organs it's not on my sacd. Do your copies have the same problem? It's not a problem?

I have this SACD and can assure you that the four organs are placed equally in the four channels. My guess is that your copy is defective.

Kind regards.
- Wilfried

Post by Orpheus December 14, 2007 (5 of 57)
Does anybody know the registration details of the four organs used in Freiburg Cathedral for this recording (it might have been on the original release/CD)? There is plenty of bass on this interesting SACD, but I'm not picking up the very deep bass that comes from organs with at least 32-feet pipes for these works.

Post by Peter December 15, 2007 (6 of 57)
Orpheus said:

Does anybody know the registration details of the four organs used in Freiburg Cathedral for this recording (it might have been on the original release/CD)? There is plenty of bass on this interesting SACD, but I'm not picking up the very deep bass that comes from organs with at least 32-feet pipes for these works.

FREIBURG (MINSTER)
ST. MARY'S ORGAN, TRANSEPT
RIEGER 1965, IV/P/62

Positiv (I) C-g3
Prinzipal 8’
Metallgedackt 8’
Prinzipal 4’
Rohrflöte 4’
Gemshorn 2’
Gemsquinte 1 1/3’
Sesquialter II 2 2/3’
Scharff IV-VI 1’
Dulzian 16’
Cromorne 8’
Tremolo
Hauptwerk (II) C-g3
Prinzipal 16’
Oktave 8’
Rohrflöte 8’
Spitzflöte 4’
Oktave 4’
Spitzquinte 2 2/3’
Oktave 2’
Mixtur V 2’
Cymbel III 1/2’
Kornett V 8’
Trompete 16’
Trompete 8’
Klarine 4’
Schwellwerk (III) C-g3
Gedacktpommer 16’
Holzprinzipal 8’
Spillpfeife 8’
Gamba 8’
Voix celeste 8’
Oktave 4’
Querflöte 4’
Viola 4’
Nasat 2 2/3’
Flautino 2’
Terz 1 3/5’
Mixtur IV 1 1/3’
Fagott 16’
Trompete 8’
Hautbois 8’
Klarine 4’
Glockenspiel c1-d3
Tremolo
Brustwerk (IV) C-g3
Holzgedackt 8’
Blockflöte 4’
Prinzipal 2’
Gedacktflöte 2’
Terzian 1 3/5’ + 1 1/3’
Oktave 1’
Glockenzymbel II 1/2’
Vox humana 8’
Cembalo-Regal 4’
Tremolo
Pedal C-f1
Untersatz 32’
Principalbass 16’
Subbaß 16'
Oktav 8’
Gedackt 8’
Quinte 5 1/3’
Oktave 4’
Koppelflöte 4’
Nachthorn 2’
Mixtur VI 2 2/3’
Contrafagott 32’
Trompete 16’
Posaune 8’
Zink 4’

Couplers (mechan. console): I/II, III/II, II/P, I/P
6 mechanical setter pistons
Mechanical slider chests


NAVE ORGAN
MARCUSSEN 1965, IV/P/21

Hauptwerk (II)
Prinzipal 8’
Rohrflöte 8’
Oktave 4’
Blockflöte 4’
Oktave 2’
Mixtur V-VII 1 1/3’
Trompete 8’
Rückpositiv (I)
Gedackt 8’
Prinzipal 4’
Rohrflöte 4’
Gemshorn 2’
Sifflöte 1 1/3’
Sesquialter II 2 2/3’
Scharff IV-VI 2/3’
Dulzian 8’
Tremolo
Pedal
Prinzipal 16’
Oktav 8’
Oktav 4’
Hintersatz V 2 2/3’
Fagott 16’
Schalmei 4’

Couplers (mechan. console): I/II, I/Ped, II/Ped, I/Ped 4’
Mechanical key and stop action, slider chests


ST. MICHAEL’S ORGAN, WEST GALLERY
SPAETH 1965, II/P/28

Hauptwerk (I)
Gedacktpommer 16’
Prinzipal 8’
Gemshorn 8’
Rohrflöte 8’
Oktav 4’
Nachthorngedackt 4’
Quinte 2 2/3’
Prinzipal 2’
Mixtur IV-VI 2’
Trompete 8’
Schwellwerk (II)
Italian Prinzipal 8’
Gedackt 8’
Oktave 4’
Rohrflöte 4’
Quinte 2 2/3’
Nachthorn 2’
Terz 1 3/5’
Scharff IV-VI 1 1/3’
Trompete harm. 8’
Clairon 8’
Tremolo
Pedal
Prinzipalbass 16’
Subbaß 16'
Oktavbass 8’
Gedacktbass 8’
Choralbass 4’
Hintersatz IV 2 2/3’
Stillposaune 16’
Klarine 4’

Couplers: II/I, II/Ped, I/Ped
Slider chests


CHOIR ORGAN, SOUTH CHOIR GALLERY
RIEGER 1964, FISCHER & KRAEMER 1990, II/P/25

Hauptwerk (I)
Gedacktpommer 16’
Prinzipal 8’
Hohlflöte 8’
Oktave 4’
Spitzgedeckt 4’
Waldflöte 2’
Sesquialter II 2 2/3’
Mixtur IV 1 1/3’
Trompete 8’
Positiv (II)
enclosed
Bleigedeckt 8’
Salicional 8’
Principal 4’
Koppelflöte 4’
Octavin 2’
Terz 1 3/5’
Quinte 1 1/3’
Zimbel III 1’
Musette 8’
Tremolo
Pedal
Subbaß 16'
Octavbass 8’
Gedecktbass 8’
Choralbass 4’
Hintersatz III 2 2/3’
Bombarde 16’
Trompete 8’

Couplers: II/I, II/Ped, I/Ped
Mechanical slider chests
Playable from general console only


GENERAL CONSOLE

All four organs are playable from the electric general console in the chancel:
St. Mary’s Organ: I. Hauptwerk, II. Positiv, III. Schwellwerk, IV. Brustwerk
Nave Organ: II Hauptwerk, III. Rückpositiv
Choir Organ: I. Hauptwerk, II. Positiv (enclosed)
St. Michael’s Organ: II. Hauptwerk, III. Schwellwerk
Couplers: II/I, III/I, IV/I, III/II, IV/II, IV/III, I/Ped, II/Ped, III/Ped, IV/Ped
Crescendo (adjustable)
General swell pedal for St. Mary's Organ, Choir Organ, St. Michael's Organ
512 Setter pistons
Total number of stops: 136


See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiburg

Post by diw March 28, 2010 (7 of 57)
I can't believe this disc has become so rare. It was available pretty much everywhere when it was in print. Does anyone have a copy they would be willing to sell?

Post by Epsilon March 28, 2010 (8 of 57)
diw said:

I can't believe this disc has become so rare. [...]

I think THAT is the fate of many -if not all- SACDs : getting out of print and then no reprints :( A shame...
I bought my copy only about half a year ago at amazon.com. It's a nice listen (apart from the regular noises between riffs - is it Briggs turning on his chair to switch consoles or pulling registers?)

Post by porpielee April 7, 2010 (9 of 57)
diw said:

I can't believe this disc has become so rare. It was available pretty much everywhere when it was in print. Does anyone have a copy they would be willing to sell?

I think this is one of those 'rarest SACD title that most of us here have'.

Post by diw April 8, 2010 (10 of 57)
except me. would be grateful to hear a copy...

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