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Discussion: Genesis 1976-1982

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Post by Old Hack July 9, 2007 (71 of 79)
Dusty Chalk said:

Not true -- as long as one leaves plenty of headroom, an analog multitrack mix can sound plenty dynamic. I don't even need to have been in a studio to know this -- I've heard the results -- plenty of recordings from the pre-digital era to know that it's possible. Anything by Alan Parsons and/or Pink Floyd, Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds, Crack the Sky's Safety in Numbers -- the list is endless.

You're just digging yourself in deeper by making blatantly incorrect statements that most everyone can verify for themselves.

Absolutely right, Dusty. Yes, recording on analogue will give a degree of 'tape compression' and colouration (in a nice way). But compared to the levels of compression and limiting offered by dedicated tools (ie. compressors, limiters) it is negligable.

I think what we can all agree on, without further debate, is that 'racerguy' (sounds like a username chosen by someone with a micro dick) is a complete wanker.

And he can take that in any f***ing context he likes. Tw*t.

Post by PLS August 13, 2007 (72 of 79)
onebit said:

Well, I just received A Trick Of The Tail, Wind and Wuthering and And Then There Were Three.

The multi-channel mixes are wonderful. Cheers to Nick Davis!

Otherwise, I'm afraid that the presentation is over bright and noticeably compressed. Sure, there are details in the music that are more prominent because of this, but the music doesn't rock the way it should. Phil's drums sound feeble and there's a wash of sparkly cleanliness and politeness to the sound that makes them sound just plain wrong. I find this to be true in both multi-channel and two-channel SACD.

I am so glad I didn't spring for the box set (at what seems now a ridiculous price).

I'm really disappointed - I've been waiting for these for so long, and I can't even say that the stereo layer sounds better than the CD I've had for 20 years!

Let's hope there is still time to save the Gabriel era titles from this abomination!

All right, i have Trick of The Tail, Wind and Wuthering and Duke, and i have to say that the suprise was Wind And Wuthering.In my opinion is the best sounding album of the three, giving the 3rd position to Duke. I don´t complain about any harshness, but i notice tendency for the mid to be bright, but we must remember that most of the time music is fullfill with electronic keyboards (mid to high and some lows. In Duke, compression is audible specially in Behind The Lines, and dynamic and soundstage are squashed into the loudspeakers. I remember that Duke´s vynil was poor, lots of treble, just like Wind and Wuthering. Getting the level high is not bad thing,if they not squashed the transient peaks with the limiters.We can get the lowest Total Harmonic Distortion from the Digital to Analog Converters, and a bit more Inter-Modulation Distortion.But if the boys at the Farm start doing things like "Full Steam Ahead" we've got the limiters, then they are screwing the sound and the SA-CD format, which is without a doubt the best audio format, next to open reel analog record at 30 inch per second!!!
Lets hope that the boys at the Farm wake up for the first issues and let SA-CD get body and soul of the analog tapes from Trespass to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.No limiters, we dont need the transients squashed into the ceilling!!And beware of the tonal balance, if they just learn with MOFI!!!!

Regards

Post by Kveld-Úlfr January 20, 2014 (73 of 79)
Lingering on this site, I just found a link to this boxset on Amazon.fr for 11... what a joke.

But because I'm a joker myself, I bought it. Let's see what funny result will happen.

Post by rammiepie January 20, 2014 (74 of 79)
Kveld-Úlfr said:

Lingering on this site, I just found alink to this boxset on Amazon.fr for 11... what a joke.

But because I'm a joker myself, I bought it. Let's see what'll happen.

Likely, a "Trick Of The Tail," Anthony.

I see the used prices are over 1000 Euros.

But good luck my friend!

Post by sylvian January 20, 2014 (75 of 79)
Kveld-Úlfr said:

Lingering on this site, I just found alink to this boxset on Amazon.fr for 11... what a joke.

But because I'm a joker myself, I bought it. Let's see what funny result will happen.

I like this box most of the three (four) ones. So you are lucky enough to put your hands on a great hi-rez mixes for free.

However I do regret, that DVD-portion of each release does not contain stereo tracks with at least 48/24 treatment as Depeche Mode collectors editions do. Being completely new to portable Hi-rez audio I have dug out everything in higher resolution from my collection of DVD-As / BD-As.

With Genesis there are only 48/16 tracks for stereo. I have also made slight comparisons of the 192/24, 96/24 and 48/24 resolution respectively.

While Eagles dare 192/24 with their Hotel California, Talking Heads are "only" 96/24 and DM are all 48/24 except for PtA, which offers the poor 48/16 resolution.

Great experience with these. Only wonder wether there will be an portable DSD player in the future, since I am listening on the road to a greater extent than at home.

Anyway Portable HD player is only recommended for die-hard maniacs who wish to listen to music everywhere they go :-) It is a bit tough work to put these tags properly with the FLAC versions of your beloved music.

Also discovered that Mahler 6th (2 SA-CD + DVD-A) has 192/24 stereo only track on the accompanying DVD-A while 3rd (2SA-CD + DVD-A) has 96/24 stereo + 96/24 m-ch tracks. Very strange! Great listening in the woods anyway.

Post by Kveld-Úlfr January 20, 2014 (76 of 79)
"Your Amazon order has been canceled by the seller for cause of wrong pricing."

Ah ah ah ah !!! Didn't see that one coming.

Post by rammiepie January 20, 2014 (77 of 79)
Kveld-Úlfr said:

"Your Amazon order has been canceled by the seller for cause of wrong pricing."

Ah ah ah ah !!! Didn't see that one coming.

At least they were "franc," Anthony!

Post by kaalkop January 20, 2014 (78 of 79)
Kveld-Úlfr said:

"Your Amazon order has been canceled by the seller for cause of wrong pricing."

Ah ah ah ah !!! Didn't see that one coming.

Although your order has been canceled, you still have the chance to leave feedback...

Post by Lute May 3, 2014 (79 of 79)
sylvian said:

I like this box most of the three (four) ones. So you are lucky enough to put your hands on a great hi-rez mixes for free...

While I love the Mch mix, the sound is bright, isn't it? It's been years since I heard the original LPs, but were they this bright?

I was looking back at some of the reviews and older discussion posts (WOW! Talk about some lively debates ;) Empanadilla's review makes some good points. But more people thought it was not helpful. It's good to have this as a Mch SACD, but I agree with Empanadilla that it has some flaws. I was wondering how this one has aged with listeners.

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