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Discussion: Norah Jones: Come Away With Me

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Post by tream August 24, 2003 (21 of 53)
Khorn said:

I have a hard time calling this SACD "Jazz" although the term is wide open to interpretation. I think "Jazz" has an extremely wide range although some things are "obviously" jazz like Mingus and Brubeck and the like.

As far as female vocal SACDs I would, for instance, easily classify Patricia Barber and Jacintha's recordings in the Jazz camp. I tend to think of the Norah Jones recording as a kind of Modern Popular with a definite tinge of country influence, that's my reading on it anyway.

I agree with you that the category of jazz may not fit. For me this is closer to MOR, Easy Listening than jazz. I'm actually reminded more of ballades by Carole King than I am of Ella, Sarah, or Billie. I don't get country from this.

Having said that, I think it is a very nice CD and recommend it.

Interesting story - I was in the Sony SACD room at the recent high end show in San Francisco, where Sony did themselves proud with a great setup of their newest SACD player, digital amp (with Firewire connections) and 5 Wilson Watt/Puppy speakers. They were focused mostly on Bob Dylan stuff, which was stereo, sounded fine, etc. but then switched to the multichannel Norah Jones SACD and the room just bloomed with sound. Shows the advantage of multichannel over 2 channel, and that this is a well-recorded SACD.

If you want to hear some great jass singing on SACD, try Tony Bennett and K.D. Lang.

Post by nucaleena September 24, 2003 (22 of 53)
pann said:

Hi Paul, I am here. Greetings from the beautiful sunny San Francisco Bay Area!

I do not respond to thread with personal attacks or speculations, as they are meaningless, and they lower the quality of this forum that Stephen created I am so fond of.

Your thread has none of this nonsense, so it’s a joy to follow up on your thoughts.

Sort of like you, I even don’t know if this sacd is a jazz or not, and I even don’t care to know. The sad/funny thing is I don’t know what “real” or "pure" jazz is or there is such a thing. I guess I have an ignorant mind. I blame myself.

The genre as categorized by sacdinfo.com is “vocal”. The reviews by the media was lavishing. Oh, I like female vocal, so I went out bought one, and to my disappoint that her voice is “..like a girl going through her puberty..”. This descriptive is neutral as it simply stated my perception. I found I don’t like this kind of voice; now this is subjective. Ultimately I sold it on eBay because “…As for the music, it sounds all the same to me…” or to use your word... It’s boring. Again, this is subjective. (At one time, I have suggested to Stephen if he can add a “Keep” or “Dump” rating check on the review site. I got no response from him, Ha :). It was as simple as that, a subjective dislike of this disc and sold it as such. No hidden agenda … Why some people like to look at things thru the colored lens and to perceive simple things so complicated, it’s a complete torture to me, a simple person who just like the pleasure of listening to music and to exchange/enrich music ideas.

Thinking along your line, may I extend that I think (and hope you agree)that to make speculations on other persons motives behind the music is meaningless, unnecessary, and unhealthy to the quality of this forum --BECAUSE it discourages people to make open, direct, frank and honest discussions which is the intrinsic core of this forum I believe. You know, not only that, sometimes it's even dangerous or silly to speculate. Should I guess what that gentleman’s motives were when he said (on the other post) “ When I listen to, say, John Coltrane or Mel Torme the appeal escapes me”. Does he have some personal hadred toward JC or MT, or some other motives? No, no, no! I’d never do that; because of all the reasons I have said above, and because it is none of my business.

Khorn, you and I all feel the same that as Khorn so simply stated “to each his own”. Do we have to say or clarify this over and over again, whenever some person come on-line making some kind of FWIW comments? Is it intrinsically embedded in the forum?

Music listening is so subjective that make it so interesting.

As English is my second language, I spent an awful amount of effort to write this long (at least to me) post. Now I need time to relax – I just got an Ana-Marija Markovina’s Morzart Klavirkonzerte KV 466 & 491. I’ll give it a spin. I might write a short review (all my reviews were short for obvious reasons). But be rest assured there won’t be any hidden agenda against Ms. AMM or Mozart:)

Again, please forgive my incoherent dabbling and my imperfect English.

hi james, i agree with you - threads should ideally be free of aggression but we also need some vigourous opinion now and again. It's healthy that people get passionate about music. If they sometimes get stroppy that's fine too, as long as it doesn't go too far. I took no offence to Randy's comments, i just wanted to explain to him what i had meant. I can only think of one rant on the "threads" since stephen started them, and that was a generalised one about cd sound, not in any way personal. I think that's a great sign, - it means the site is respected and users respect other users, just as it should be.

Since music is a universal language, you can be be assured that your "dabbling" is not incoherent and your english communicates just fine. Now, how was that Markinova Mozart disc you mentioned?

Post by pann October 1, 2003 (23 of 53)
nucaleena said:
Now, how was that Markinova Mozart disc you mentioned?

This disc is a weird one to say the least.
First the liner notes; I would term it pseudo-academic double talk. The writing was so serious in its intention that made it so funny. I remember in one of your review or posts that you mentioned some European writings that seem to me is of the similar genre. I think this kind of writing is universal though, not just limited to European writing.
Ms. Markovina played on a Seiler 242 piano (never heard of until now) which gave out a smallish sound. Instead of caressing the key board as Rupu did on Mozart, she stroke each note to the point of pounding. In some instances, she remind me of a student's playing. Having said all that, interestingly, she played the second movement of both concertos with sensitivity and grace, and with a complete, seamless rhythmic control. I’d be interested to hear how she would play the second movement of Beethoven’s Emperor. The orchestra supported her very well. The recorded sound is decent. If you have a programmable player, you may want to program out all the tracks except the two movements :-)
My comments here may seem too harsh, but this is my true feeling.

Post by Shakespear777 August 13, 2009 (24 of 53)
I have to revise my first discussion. It really is a poor mix and the RB CD is better by a long shot.

I've been comparing the two side by side and as much as I was rooting for the SACD there is not way I could recommend it.

Its a great disc and should be enjoyed fully...thats RB. Hopefully a new release will be issued.

Post by windhoek July 2, 2012 (25 of 53)
I've already got this album on CD and vinyl and thought it would sound great in 5.1, but alas, it's probably the most insipid thing I've ever heard; elevator music is more interesting than the 5.1 mix!

Unless this is re-mixed for surround sound, I'll be sticking with my LP as it sounds much fuller and is infinitely more enjoyable to listen to.

Post by windhoek July 2, 2012 (26 of 53)
It looks like there is a new SACD version being released in July 2012 along with 4 other albums.

http://store.acousticsounds.com/s/339/Norah_Jones_on_Analogue_Productions

Post by windhoek July 8, 2012 (27 of 53)
I just listened to this in 5.1 again and no longer think it's the most insipid thing I've ever heard. I fact, I really like it! I think the thing that threw me was that the 5.1 mix is very quiet and that's something I never really appreciated when I listened to it first time round.

For the first listen, I turned the volume up to my usual level and thought it was incredibly insipid and frankly unenjoyable. This time however, I realised it was very quiet, so I turned the volume way up and it sounded much better and much more enjoyable. Although I wouldn't go so far as to say it sounds as good as other 5.1 mixes, I will say however, that the surround mix sounds just about spot on.

If you like this album and want to hear it in 5.1, remember to turn the volume way up to get a full-bodied listening experience otherwise, you might end up selling it as I nearly did!

Post by The Seventh Taylor July 8, 2012 (28 of 53)
windhoek said:

It looks like there is a new SACD version being released in July 2012 along with 4 other albums.

That's fantastic news! I had no hopes of this ever happening yet I had held out on buying here other albums so far. Was tempted to buy them though, especially the special editions.

Now I'm curious what AP is going to do to address those claims I always read that the DSD on Come Away With Me was derived from Red Book PCM or something like that.

Post by Bradman July 8, 2012 (29 of 53)
I think it was proven the SACD 2ch layer was actually the RBCD layer, but that the Multi-ch is legit.

Post by Discspinner July 8, 2012 (30 of 53)
7T I was wondering the same thing. If it isn't the same 5.1 product remastered, then AP would have to generate another 5.1 mix. Hopefully it is the latter. However, if doing a new 5.1 mix of the first title, why not all of them? Based on the fact that they are not, my guess/speculation is it is the original 5.1 mix. Perhaps it is best to ask AP. I will send them an email.

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