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Post by raffells January 11, 2008 (211 of 3736)
bissie said:
Please ,Bissie.
Whats happened to the promised Sibelius Finlandia etc etc and any news on the remining Tchaikovsky symphonies 3 and Manfred. Getting pretty desperate now that there are sacd alternatives..
Regretably I will avoid the first two 16 bit specials.Do the sales figures decide if you are going to repeat this.?
Dave

Post by bissie January 11, 2008 (212 of 3736)
raffells said:

Please ,Bissie.
Whats happened to the promised Sibelius Finlandia etc etc and any news on the remining Tchaikovsky symphonies 3 and Manfred. Getting pretty desperate now that there are sacd alternatives..
Regretably I will avoid the first two 16 bit specials.Do the sales figures decide if you are going to repeat this.?
Dave

Nothing in particular has happened. They have all been recorded (except Manfred which we have no plans for) and are awaiting their turn in the pipeline. S4 should be rather soon, S3 late this year, Sibelius isn't decided.

Isn't "avoid" a bit harsh, Dave? "Abstain" would've done as well, right?
Yes, in the end we have to depend upon sales figures. This is one way of giving those perspicatious listeners who have got themselves an SACD player an extra advantage, since it is rather less expensive to purchase 4 CD:s worth of material at the price of one. We're not just clumping together whatever there is, but taking some of the best things we have and making a special to those who have the hardware to enjoy it.
The Mendelssohn Concerti are played by people like Ronald Brautigam. It doesn't get better than that.
Unless this turns out to be a total flop, we have several other projects along these same lines. But, of course, if they are avoided like the plague, we will cease and desist.

best - Robert

Post by TerraEpon January 11, 2008 (213 of 3736)
bissie said:

That's good, since the SACD has been deleted.
It will re-appear in February, but now completed with the Mozart Flute/Harp Concerto on top of the previous programme, making it the very first single-disc release with all 5 works by Mozart for flute and orchestra.
Playing time will be 82 minutes and the order number is BIS-SACD-1539.

So, this'll be a hybrid? Interesting how much over the 80 minute (of RBCD) limit they seem to be able to squeeze...I think I have two or three from BIS alone (which is amusing, as an early double CD set from BIS, Doppler flute music, exclaims that the 75ish minute CDs are the longest CDs ever...)


Might finally be time to upgrade that Sony CD of the flute+clarinet concerti...

-Joshua

Post by raffells January 11, 2008 (214 of 3736)
bissie said:

Nothing in particular has happened. They have all been recorded (except Manfred which we have no plans for) and are awaiting their turn in the pipeline. S4 should be rather soon, S3 late this year, Sibelius isn't decided.

Isn't "avoid" a bit harsh, Dave? "Abstain" would've done as well, right?
Yes, in the end we have to depend upon sales figures. This is one way of giving those perspicatious listeners who have got themselves an SACD player an extra advantage, since it is rather less expensive to purchase 4 CD:s worth of material at the price of one. We're not just clumping together whatever there is, but taking some of the best things we have and making a special to those who have the hardware to enjoy it.
The Mendelssohn Concerti are played by people like Ronald Brautigam. It doesn't get better than that.
Unless this turns out to be a total flop, we have several other projects along these same lines. But, of course, if they are avoided like the plague, we will cease and desist.

best - Robert

Ok Abstinence was not really in my vocabulary for various reasons.LoL.Sorry if the term seemingly hit a nerve.
I will await reviews of the string symphonies.Several 16 bit upgraded to sacd have been quite good from over the pond!.
Having been an avid collector of your vinyl I know there must be loads of stuff you could release in this stereo extended play format with little or NO competition.Especially the composers and works I have some of the Lps..
Im glad that if the first venures are not total winnersyou will risk the project again.
Thanks for bad news re "Manfred" and worrying news abouts Mixed Sibelius works I was looking forward to.That one would be an absolute winner with No obvious competition.Dave

Post by flyingdutchman January 11, 2008 (215 of 3736)
I don't get it. No Manfred? Since when is this the ugly stepchild? It is certainly as worthy as any of the numbered symphonies.

Post by Windsurfer January 11, 2008 (216 of 3736)
flyingdutchman said:

I don't get it. No Manfred? Since when is this the ugly stepchild? It is certainly as worthy as any of the numbered symphonies.

I agree with you but I wonder how Manfred fares in sales compared with the others? If it is below the standard of the others (sales wise) Why should that be?

I have to admit to never having paid it much attention until I read one of your posts concerning it and so I ordered the Exton (didn't have a redbook cd) and became more familiar with it. (with sincere thanks FD)

My musical education as it were stems from exploration and reading magazines starting with the now defunct "High Fidelity" then Stereo Review and graduating to Hi Fi News and Record Review and Gramphone. Dropped HFN when it changed format dropping the "Record Review" from its name. Anyway in some 52 years of exploring and reading about music, attending concerts etc, nothing ever persuaded me to become familiar with the Manfred symphony til now. I think it, like sacd, suffers from a lack of public exposure.

Post by bissie January 11, 2008 (217 of 3736)
TerraEpon said:

So, this'll be a hybrid? Interesting how much over the 80 minute (of RBCD) limit they seem to be able to squeeze...I think I have two or three from BIS alone (which is amusing, as an early double CD set from BIS, Doppler flute music, exclaims that the 75ish minute CDs are the longest CDs ever...)


Might finally be time to upgrade that Sony CD of the flute+clarinet concerti...

-Joshua

Yes, Joshua, this'll be a hybrid. The info I have got is that, as soon as the playing time exceeds, I think it was, 77 minutes, they have to squeeze the digital pits by a fraction. Having done that, it is free up to 82'30, which means that 77'30 and 82'30 stand the same risk of not being playable. This risk, according to our return rate, is zero. But 82'30 is the max MAX, then you'll be way out of the specs for the players.

You're right about the Dopplers. At that time (mid-80's) the playing time was the theoretical maximum, and so I felt comfortable in advertising what I did. Then I just haven't changed it. I will, I will...

Best - Robert

Post by raffells January 11, 2008 (218 of 3736)
Windsurfer said:

If it is below the standard of the others (sales wise) Why should that be?

I have to admit to never having paid it much attention until I read one of your posts concerning it and so I ordered the Exton (didn't have a redbook cd) and became more familiar with it. (with sincere thanks FD)
exposure.

I must admit that I can not explain the lack of Manfreds that have been recorded historically even on vinyl.I once held a discussion with a soviet music expert and casually mentioned that I hadnt seen a Russian or German Manfred.Why?.After a long pause he asked me what it was?
I think therin lies a possible clue.
When when you discover it in the Penguin guide its only part of a box set ie Ashkenazzy,Muti or Haitink and is only mentioned as "completness" of the symphonies?.
Once you have heard a half decent version its NO poor relation or ugly duckling.Probably the best symphony to play for a good mood as it is enternaining is a strange way.
Im not sure if their are any technical difficulties in performance except it uses a large and varied orchestra.If anyone can offer an explanation I am listening.
So far I can only think that a selection of its music has not appeared in a film or tv advert but thats getting desperate.Probably he wrote too much other good stuff?.
Dave

Post by krisjan January 11, 2008 (219 of 3736)
I love the Manfred symphony. I too am disappointed that this will not appear on Bis. One reason it is not recorded very frequently (besides its lack of general familiarity) is that it employs an organ which can be quite spectacular if recorded properly.

Post by Edvin January 11, 2008 (220 of 3736)
There are many very good recordings of Manfred in the catalogue and I don´t think Neeme Järvi would do the piece justice. With his habit of speeding everything up he would probably ruin it, as he has done with so much music in the past.

I would love to hear it from Temirkanov and his Russian orchestra. In the meantime I play my favorites, Maazel, Muti and Markevitch, mmm...

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