Thread: So, what will be new on SACD?

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Post by eesau September 16, 2007 (31 of 100)
Lance B said:

A few have recommended Peter Gabriel's "Up", but when you say it is a "must have" is it great on multi channel or stereo or both?

Hi,

"UP" is possibly the best progressive/art (!!!???) rock record made since the 70es.

Stereo version is excellent. I tend to hear something outside the stereo speaker set up ... ?

I just listened to the multi-channel version and it is actually very good even if the rear channels are used much too much for my taste. They could have done this better but it is OK.

With multi-channel, you typically can hear instruments in much more detailed fashion and they are more open as if there was more "air" around (as one of my friend describes this). Also vocals are more natural.
UP has the same qualities in multi-channel but it is not best in class, I would say.

Esa

Post by eesau September 16, 2007 (32 of 100)
Claude said:

There were a few more significant ones:

- the Talking Heads CD+DVD-A box set (released early 2006 in Europe only). In the US, it was released as DualDiscs (late 2005)

- The Doors "Perception" box set released this year

The current trend is that vinyl is the most popular "high resolution" format for pop and jazz.

Hi,

I still think the jazz and pop SACDs sell more than the vinyl.

http://76.74.24.142/E795D602-FA50-3F5A-3730-9C8A40B98C46.pdf

Last year's RIAA statistics show that both jazz and classical music have about the same market share that is 2% for both.

This statistics does not indicate any "vinyl revival" but total value of Vinyl LP sales has been about 0.7M USD as you can read.

DVD-A has been 2x and even SACD has been on the same level ... but these are possibly single layer SACDs because SACD sales value was 0 in 2006!!!!

And when did vinyl LP with the 70dB dynamic range become "high resolution" format?

If you read and believe what the retroaudiofilia magazines write, you might think that vinyl LPs are selling well but sales data tells us another story.

Esa

Post by Lance B September 16, 2007 (33 of 100)
eesau said:

Hi,

"UP" is possibly the best progressive/art (!!!???) rock record made since the 70es.

Stereo version is excellent. I tend to hear something outside the stereo speaker set up ... ?

I just listened to the multi-channel version and it is actually very good even if the rear channels are used much too much for my taste. They could have done this better but it is OK.

With multi-channel, you typically can hear instruments in much more detailed fashion and they are more open as if there was more "air" around (as one of my friend describes this). Also vocals are more natural.
UP has the same qualities in multi-channel but it is not best in class, I would say.

Esa

Thank you for your help, eesau. I may give this a try.

Post by Ear September 17, 2007 (34 of 100)
In my humble opinion, there are two kinds of multichannel mixes. The discrete ones, for space and air and the ones where there are interesting effects like circeling sounds and such. (and of course a mixture of both) To me UP is more in the second category. Very interesting! So actually, I think it is a matter fo taste. I like the more aggressive ones because they are something different in music.

Post by stipus September 17, 2007 (35 of 100)
Ear said:

In my humble opinion, there are two kinds of multichannel mixes. The discrete ones, for space and air and the ones where there are interesting effects like circeling sounds and such. (and of course a mixture of both) To me UP is more in the second category. Very interesting! So actually, I think it is a matter fo taste. I like the more aggressive ones because they are something different in music.

If you are looking for good multichannel mixes, there is a good list available here:
http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29846037

It's in french, but disc titles are language neutral :)

Post by Cornan September 17, 2007 (36 of 100)
In response to the thread up to this point:

1) Here's a pretty good list of DVD-Audios (more than just 1 in 2006):

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/dvdalist.htm

2) Why did the RIAA sales figures show "0.0" for SACD in 2006? I didn't notice any footnotes and surely sales have not actually gone to zero.

3) I've been preaching the good word about the two Sony car receivers (XAVW1 and MEX-DV2000). See my review of the MEX-DV2000 in a new thread I started yesterday.

These players play ALMOST EVERY MULTICHANNEL FORMAT. Because they're DVD players with DTS capability, they will play SACDs, DTS-only discs and DVD-Audio with DTS tracks, and I THINK they will probably play DVD/Video surround discs.

The MEX-DV2000 has been featured on the home page at www.xplodsony.com for weeks now, and Crutchfield is carrying the XAVW1 [key in SACD in their search box and you'll find it in case I've misspelled the model number].

For example, the Blue Man Group DVD-Audio and SheDaisy DVD-Audio play just find on the MEX-DV2000.

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I'm as confused as ever about whether Sony "supports" this format. They've finally released these car players, but I read in this thread about the plant closing; does that mean that there are ZERO SACD-pressing plants in the United States?

Personally, what I support is surround sound. It's enjoyable at home and a revelation in the car.

In a world of paradoxes, where DVD-Audio and SACD were touted as "high resolution" formats more than surround formats but where other people pay thousands of dollars for a phonograph cartridge to play vinyl records, I'm going to stick to this mantra: surround, surround, surround.

Just audition Blue Man Group's "The Complex" DVD-Audio (DTS or "high res" 5.1 tracks) for your friends and then let them hear it again again on grandpa's stereo CD. I can't imagine they won't notice the difference.

I get a notice every week from CD Universe about my pre-order for the Jennifer Lopez SACD. Put in your order, too. Support every surround recording you can of music that's less than 10 years old!

Post by The Seventh Taylor September 17, 2007 (37 of 100)
Cornan said:

1) Here's a pretty good list of DVD-Audios (more than just 1 in 2006):

Thanks! Very interesting. I even noticed I own more than one 2006 title (the other one is Donald Fagen's).

Should I conclude zero titles have been release thus far in 2007 or is this list not up to date?

Post by Myrtone September 26, 2007 (38 of 100)
By the way, when is the Leonard Cohen catalogue, all his albums except the last two, gong to be released on SACD, I hope it happens someday. His first three albums have recently been reissued by legacy recordings with additional bonus tracks.
http://www.legacyrecordings.com/Leonard-Cohen/Songs-Of-Leonard-Cohen.aspx
http://www.legacyrecordings.com/Leonard-Cohen/Songs-from-a-Room.aspx
http://www.legacyrecordings.com/Leonard-Cohen/Songs-of-Love-and-Hate.aspx

I would like the SACD versions to not only include these bonus tracks but also, for all tracks to be remixed (if possible).

I think I agree with Robert Verreault (Vero18), that Simon and Garfunkel's Bridge over Troubled Water (Album) should be remastered from the original masters (if possible).

/showthread/3860/19005/y#19005

Post by Ear September 26, 2007 (39 of 100)
Again, the answere is: probably never. But there is a slight chance that, if the Genesis remaster sell well, policies change.

Post by Myrtone September 26, 2007 (40 of 100)
Why never? If SACD is continuing to grow, and the albums remain popular enough, it is practically inevitable. Or are DVD-A and SACD already in decline despite being less than ten years old?

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