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Discussion: Bartok: Rhapsody, Scherzo, Violin Concerto No. 1 - Fischer, Kocsis

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Post by ramesh November 28, 2007 (1 of 6)
I have just received this, but have to shoot off to work, will listen later.

The two piano works with Kocsis are licensed from Philips and were recorded in 1985-6, unfortunately. The violin concerto was recorded in 2006.
All are marked as SACD surround and stereo, but there is no mention where the 1980s recordings are reprocessed into MC.

Post by Castor November 30, 2007 (2 of 6)
I too have had this SACD for a few weeks and my first impressions are that the 2006 VC 1 is very good indeed, but the re-mastering of the 1985 Rhapsody and Scherzo, that account for two thirds of the disc, sounds no better than the original Philips RBCD.

Post by Beagle January 25, 2008 (3 of 6)
I was just reading a short discussion of Bartók by D.K. Holoman, who singles out Bartók's Concerto for Orchestra and Violin Concerto No. 2 as his greatest works. My own choice would've put Music for Percussion... Celesta in, but that doesn't matter.... What matters is that there is no SACD of Violin Concerto No. 2, Bartók's other "greatest work"!

The Violin Concerto No. 1 on this disc is a minor, youthful work which Béla himself dismissed, asking his publishers to list no. 2 as "no. 1". Although Bartók might be called an acquired taste at this point in history, I note that we have 8 SACD versions of Concerto for Orchestra -- but no recordings of Sz 112. Arkivmusik.com lists 35 recordings of it on CD (75 for Cto for Orch.).

Post by leroyad April 10, 2008 (4 of 6)
Beagle said:

I was just reading a short discussion of Bartók by D.K. Holoman, who singles out Bartók's Concerto for Orchestra and Violin Concerto No. 2 as his greatest works. My own choice would've put Music for Percussion... Celesta in, but that doesn't matter.... What matters is that there is no SACD of Violin Concerto No. 2, Bartók's other "greatest work"!

The Violin Concerto No. 1 on this disc is a minor, youthful work which Béla himself dismissed, asking his publishers to list no. 2 as "no. 1". Although Bartók might be called an acquired taste at this point in history, I note that we have 8 SACD versions of Concerto for Orchestra -- but no recordings of Sz 112. Arkivmusik.com lists 35 recordings of it on CD (75 for Cto for Orch.).

I very recently (Apr. 6, 2008) had the pleasure of hearing--for my first time--Bartok's Second Violin Concerto. It was performed at Los Angeles' Disney Concert Hall with wonderkind Gustavo Dudamel conducting the LA Phil., with Leila Josefowicz as soloist. This is a terrific piece of music and I would call it Bartok's greatest work. Despite this being only Dudamel's second time conducting the LA Phil. in performance, it was magical.

The concert hall looked to be reasonably well miked and an announcement was made that it was being recorded. Since Dudamel records exclusively on DGG, I have some hopes for a live SACD recording. Given the very strong interest in Dudamel, the popularity and talent of Josefowicz, and the remarkably strong interest in tickets to this concert, I expect that such a release would sell very well. Possibly lobbying DGG would do some good.

PS to Beagle: This work has a significant celesta part!

Post by Windsurfer April 10, 2008 (5 of 6)
Beagle said:

I was just reading a short discussion of Bartók by D.K. Holoman, who singles out Bartók's Concerto for Orchestra and Violin Concerto No. 2 as his greatest works. My own choice would've put Music for Percussion... Celesta in, but that doesn't matter.... What matters is that there is no SACD of Violin Concerto No. 2, Bartók's other "greatest work"!

The Violin Concerto No. 1 on this disc is a minor, youthful work which Béla himself dismissed, asking his publishers to list no. 2 as "no. 1". Although Bartók might be called an acquired taste at this point in history, I note that we have 8 SACD versions of Concerto for Orchestra -- but no recordings of Sz 112. Arkivmusik.com lists 35 recordings of it on CD (75 for Cto for Orch.).

apropo to nothing perhaps but I notice that Julia Fischer will be playing BOTH Bartok concertos during the same concert in Geneva on the 15th of this month if I remember correctly. Wish I had unreasonable amounts of money to toss about on air fare and lodging! Tickets to the concert would be a minor expense if any are left!

Post by kwcc April 13, 2008 (6 of 6)
Beagle said-

"The Violin Concerto No. 1 on this disc is a minor, youthful work which Béla himself dismissed, asking his publishers to list no. 2 as "no. 1". Although Bartók might be called an acquired taste at this point in history, I note that we have 8 SACD versions of Concerto for Orchestra -- but no recordings of Sz 112. Arkivmusik.com lists 35 recordings of it on CD (75 for Cto for Orch.)."


Actually the Violin Concerto no 1 is anything but a minor work. Bartok wrote it for the violinist Stefi Geyer, with whom he was deeply in love. He withdrew the piece after she rejected him, but he re-used the first movement as the first of the Two Portraits. It is a stunning piece, but remained in a drawer until both Bartok and Geyer had died for personal rather than musical reasons...

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