Thread: Black Sabbath "Paranoid"

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Post by wolf359 April 2, 2009 (71 of 92)
miklet said:

Purchased my copy from Spin CDs in the UK.
The Denon 3910 and Sony DA-3000ES show the following
disk 1 RBCD 44.1kHz 16-bit
disk 2 DVD-V audio option 1 stereo channel dolby 2.0 448kbps 48kHz 16-bit
audio option 2 multi-channel DTS 5.1 1536kbps 48kHz 16-bit
disk 3 RBCD 44.1kHz 16-bit

The multi-channel program is 5.1. Sub-woofer reads LFE content. Center channel is very prominent. What the heck happened to the original quad mix ?
No SACD layer, No DVD-A and no pure quad mix. humpf !

I consider this a simple novelty. My 38 year old record sounds better.

Mike

What makes me angry about this is the sheer inconsistency of releases. Paranoid was due to come out at about the same time as ELP Brain Salad Surgery. That duly appeared and was I think fairly well received. You all know the story the Sabbath album was put back and put back. In spite of the delays I looked forward to its issue as an SACD. Ominously rumors spread that it was not an SACD. Several web sites still describe it as an SACD. Many people must have pre-ordered on the basis that it was an SACD. It was almost impossible to find out until release day what the format of the discs actually was. When it did come out It was not an SACD or DVDA but a DTS 5.1 remixed version of the original ,so what happened to the orginal 1974 rare quad 4.0 recordings?. Why did Universal get it so right with ELP and then choose to change Paranoid in mid stream without informing the suppliers and the public until the last minute. I would not have been so angry and disappointed if they had come out and explained the logic behind the change, but as major record company they suffer from the arrogance of giving the customer what they think is best, not what they think the customer might actually want.

Post by Ear April 2, 2009 (72 of 92)
You said it!
By the way: A lot of majors used to have Email addresses, where you could complain and suggest. After a while they where replaced by newsletter sign ups or just vanished. I think that says it all.

Post by Face April 5, 2009 (73 of 92)
To add more confusion to the mix, Tower.com lists a SACD version: http://www.tower.com/paranoid-black-sabbath-cd/wapi/112399896 and a CD version: http://www.tower.com/paranoid-black-sabbath-cd/wapi/112373480

Mike

Post by Paul Clark April 5, 2009 (74 of 92)
"The expected but oft-delayed UK release of one of the crown jewels from Black Sabbath, Paranoid, was originally planned as a 2-disc Deluxe Edition, one of them an SACD. Now, the set seems to have been transfigured as a 3CD set that will NOT yield an SACD..." - Feb 2009

http://www.musictap.net/Archives/PostsNew/2009/February/TAP0225.html

UPC/EAN: 0602517824447

~ DISC 1: Original 1970 Album on CD
~ DISC 2: 1974 Quadrophonic Mix DVD Audio: 5.1. STS/2.0 LPCM STEREO
~ DISC 3: Bonus Tracks on CD - Regent Sound Studios, 16th & 17th June 1970

Even Universal doesn't know what it is, scroll down...
http://www.universalmusic.nl/artist_detail.php?aid=+Black+Sabbath

Bad sign - The band had nothing to do with this release:
http://www.black-sabbath.com/news/2009/03/paranoid_3_disc_reissue_update.html

Post by hifirene April 7, 2009 (75 of 92)
Ear said:

Does anyone have the European release? Maybe the situation is similar to the Genesis Remasters and the SACD is only included in the European release due to the 'charge three times for three layers' policy in the US.

Received the European version by Eil.com, and it is the same as the other versions, no SACD, no DVD-Audio, but DTS.
The 5.1 mix is different than the original Quad mix, I am glad that I possesses an DVD-audio with a high bit transcription from the original Quad mix.

Post by Stevus April 21, 2009 (76 of 92)
Amazon.com has a 3 disc deluxe edition listed:

http://www.amazon.com/Paranoid-Audio-DVD-Black-Sabbath/dp/B001D2AYCI/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1240344244&sr=1-9

Paranoid (CD / Audio DVD) [IMPORT] [HYBRID SACD] [DELUXE EDITION]
Original Release Date: April 7, 2009
Number of Discs: 3
Format: Import, Hybrid SACD, Deluxe Edition
Label: Universal Int'l
ASIN: B001D2AYCI

Post by crsearle April 21, 2009 (77 of 92)
Stevus said:

Amazon.com has a 3 disc deluxe edition listed:

http://www.amazon.com/Paranoid-Audio-DVD-Black-Sabbath/dp/B001D2AYCI/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1240344244&sr=1-9

Paranoid (CD / Audio DVD) [IMPORT] [HYBRID SACD] [DELUXE EDITION]
Original Release Date: April 7, 2009
Number of Discs: 3
Format: Import, Hybrid SACD, Deluxe Edition
Label: Universal Int'l
ASIN: B001D2AYCI

Thats the same and only version of this set available with the surround mix being in DTS (which isn't horrible to my ears but isn't the promised SACD). Amazon has a bad habit of not updating misleading or erroneous listing details.

Post by wolf359 April 27, 2009 (78 of 92)
crsearle said:

Thats the same and only version of this set available with the surround mix being in DTS (which isn't horrible to my ears but isn't the promised SACD). Amazon has a bad habit of not updating misleading or erroneous listing details.

On the topic of being misleading in the description of Parnoid, just had a trawl through E Bay. I was looking in general for SACDS when I noticed several copies of Paranoid up for sale at cheap prices all described as SACD when they are not. Makes me wonder if they are less than honest people who bought thinking they were getting an SACD and did'nt and now are seeking to recoup the losses when they found out it was'nt

Post by Paul Clark May 1, 2009 (79 of 92)
Stevus said:

Amazon.com has a 3 disc deluxe edition listed:

http://www.amazon.com/Paranoid-Audio-DVD-Black-Sabbath/dp/B001D2AYCI/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1240344244&sr=1-9

Paranoid (CD / Audio DVD) [IMPORT] [HYBRID SACD] [DELUXE EDITION]
Original Release Date: April 7, 2009
Number of Discs: 3
Format: Import, Hybrid SACD, Deluxe Edition
Label: Universal Int'l
ASIN: B001D2AYCI

Amazon.com will be updated with the correct (non-SACD) info in a few days.

Post by BigTony May 15, 2009 (80 of 92)
I can't find the SACD on amazon.co.uk.. am i missing something?

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