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Discussion: Dowland: The Complete Solo Lute Music - Jakob Lindberg

Posts: 8

Post by andrewb August 17, 2008 (1 of 8)
Drat! Bought these a couple of weeks ago on RBCD from Brilliant, who have licensed these BIS recordings.
Now I will have to buy them again to get the better sound from SACD. The RBCDs are good and the performances excellent but judging by the remarkable improvement in sound that the BIS Mendelssohn SACDs have over the equivalent RBCDs it will be a worthwhile re-purchase.

Post by rammiepie August 17, 2008 (2 of 8)
Beware, even though the disc is labeled as an sacd, in order to achieve 4 hours of playing time, as with the Mendelssohn (six hours playing time), it might be 16 bit/44.1 utilizing ALL of the layers (RBCD, included). Double check before you re-purchase.

Post by rammiepie August 17, 2008 (3 of 8)
rammiepie said:

Beware, even though the disc is labeled as an sacd, in order to achieve 4 hours of playing time, as with the Mendelssohn (six hours playing time), it might be 16 bit/44.1 utilizing ALL of the layers (RBCD, included). Double check before you re-purchase.

After my initial entry, I visited Amazon.com, typed in Mendelssohn sacd, and sure enough both the Mendelssohn complete string symphonies and complete concertos, while labeled as sacds, are indeed 16/44.1 recordings spread across all three layers of the SACD. They are NOT hybrid SACDs and can only be played on an sacd player to achieve a continuous 4 hours of playing time. I suspect, that the Dowland recordings are similar.

Post by zeus August 17, 2008 (4 of 8)
rammiepie said:

After my initial entry, I visited Amazon.com, typed in Mendelssohn sacd, and sure enough both the Mendelssohn complete string symphonies and complete concertos, while labeled as sacds, are indeed 16/44.1 recordings spread across all three layers of the SACD.

The discs are single layer. SA-CDs can be single layer, dual layer (rarely) or hybrids. There are no discs with three layers. Check out the /faq linked to above.

Post by rammiepie August 19, 2008 (5 of 8)
zeus said:

The discs are single layer. SA-CDs can be single layer, dual layer (rarely) or hybrids. There are no discs with three layers. Check out the /faq linked to above.

Zeus, I was merely quoting John Sunier's review of the Mendelssohn posted on Audiophile Audition (4/28/08) : "to achieve an incredible 4 hrs/15minutes) on a single SACD disc, all three layers (hi-rez multi, stereo sacd and RBCD layer) were utilized." Supposedly, when you place the disc in an SACD player, it will play continuously for 4 hrs and 15 minutes, albeit, only in 16 bit resolution. I have the wonderful MA on SA sampler which has 108+ minutes of high quality SACD music on the SACD stereo layer and 73+ minutes (of completely DIFFERENT music) on the CD layer but my current Parasound H3 Halo will NOT play continuously as will the BIS disc. I am NOT a techn ician so I could be wrong but how else could one achieve 3-4 RBCD's worth of music on a single SACD (albeit, not a hybrid one)??????

Post by zeus August 19, 2008 (6 of 8)
rammiepie said:

"to achieve an incredible 4 hrs/15minutes) on a single SACD disc, all three layers (hi-rez multi, stereo sacd and RBCD layer) were utilized."

Not so. Single layer SA-CDs are based on DVD-5 and, as such, can hold up to 255 minutes of DSD encoded data on a single high-density layer. The same applies to the high density layer of hybrids. It's all explained in the FAQ.

Post by rammiepie August 19, 2008 (7 of 8)
zeus said:

Not so. Single layer SA-CDs are based on DVD-5 and, as such, can hold up to 255 minutes of DSD encoded data on a single high-density layer. The same applies to the high density layer of hybrids. It's all explained in the FAQ.

Thank you for your invaluable input. That is unbelievable! Do you have any input on the CARY 306 PRO cd/sacd player since it's a rather expensive item and one cannot believe reviews but since you are so entrenched in the format, do you have any advice as to what player (this one included) extracts the most bang for the buck out of Stereo SACD (since a lot of reviews hardly even mention SACD playback). YOU ARE THE GO TO MAN!

Post by zeus August 19, 2008 (8 of 8)
rammiepie said:

Do you have any input on the CARY 306 PRO cd/sacd player since it's a rather expensive item and one cannot believe reviews but since you are so entrenched in the format, do you have any advice as to what player (this one included) extracts the most bang for the buck out of Stereo SACD (since a lot of reviews hardly even mention SACD playback). YOU ARE THE GO TO MAN!

I haven't heard this player, nor most current models for that matter. If I was in the market for a stereo-only player I'd take a close look at the Marantz SA-11S2.

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