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Discussion: Genesis: Trespass

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Post by mystic fred September 4, 2008 (1 of 4)
I was looking forward to the release of the Gabriel era Genesis albums, esopecially this one, remixed on SACD when i noticed these reviews proliferating on Amazon uk -


"Nick Davis used to be a great engineer... what happened?, 1 Aug 2008
By Jamie Tate (Hermitage, TN United States) - See all my reviews


Nick Davis has done amazing work in the past. Actually, ALL of his work up until these Genesis remixes was excellent! Has he lost his touch? Why do these Genesis sets sound so harsh? I wonder what Nick's reasoning for this is? Does he even realize this work is much worse than what he's capable of? He's a world class engineer so why did he make so many newbie mistakes with these Genesis remixes? Too much EQ? Really? That's what interns do when they're learning how to mix.

It's not the compression that makes these remixes bad, it's all the console EQ that was added that makes them sound shrill and hollow. Lots of top and bottom end boosting going on. I know that sound well from my early days of learning how to mix (on this same SSL console I might add). I was trying to make everything as punchy and aggressive as I could and my mixes came out sounding just like these Genesis remixes. When you have that much EQ on EVERYTHING things are going to sound a bit off.

Those SSL EQs have a very distinct sound to them, so do the compressors on the channel strips. Nick Davis just wanted these things to jump out at you and in the process he over-did everything. I think he was simply trying too hard to impress everyone with brute force and not sound quality. If you dig it, good for you. I can heard the EQs ringing and that really bothers me but the lack of good midrange and the shrill top end make my ears shut down.

As a Grammy award winning recordings engineer myself I can't say I'm looking forward to reading more rave reviews of these dreadful remixes. "


surely he means the CD layer and not the SACD mix, as previous releases have been favourable...?

Post by Patrick1 September 5, 2008 (2 of 4)
mystic fred said:

I was looking forward to the release of the Gabriel era Genesis albums, esopecially this one, remixed on SACD when i noticed these reviews proliferating on Amazon uk -


"Nick Davis used to be a great engineer... what happened?, 1 Aug 2008
By Jamie Tate (Hermitage, TN United States) - See all my reviews


Nick Davis has done amazing work in the past. Actually, ALL of his work up until these Genesis remixes was excellent! Has he lost his touch? Why do these Genesis sets sound so harsh? I wonder what Nick's reasoning for this is? Does he even realize this work is much worse than what he's capable of? He's a world class engineer so why did he make so many newbie mistakes with these Genesis remixes? Too much EQ? Really? That's what interns do when they're learning how to mix.

It's not the compression that makes these remixes bad, it's all the console EQ that was added that makes them sound shrill and hollow. Lots of top and bottom end boosting going on. I know that sound well from my early days of learning how to mix (on this same SSL console I might add). I was trying to make everything as punchy and aggressive as I could and my mixes came out sounding just like these Genesis remixes. When you have that much EQ on EVERYTHING things are going to sound a bit off.

Those SSL EQs have a very distinct sound to them, so do the compressors on the channel strips. Nick Davis just wanted these things to jump out at you and in the process he over-did everything. I think he was simply trying too hard to impress everyone with brute force and not sound quality. If you dig it, good for you. I can heard the EQs ringing and that really bothers me but the lack of good midrange and the shrill top end make my ears shut down.

As a Grammy award winning recordings engineer myself I can't say I'm looking forward to reading more rave reviews of these dreadful remixes. "


surely he means the CD layer and not the SACD mix, as previous releases have been favourable...?

This "review" is way too old to have any bit of validity. These discs are not yet released. How could this "engineer" have heard the music already? This is hogwash, IMO. Thank you.

Post by Johnno September 8, 2008 (3 of 4)
Patrick1 said:

This "review" is way too old to have any bit of validity. These discs are not yet released. How could this "engineer" have heard the music already? This is hogwash, IMO. Thank you.

I hope you're right as this box is definitely on my shopping list. Did I read somewhere that some of the earlier boxes were on the harsh side?

Post by mystic fred September 12, 2008 (4 of 4)
Johnno said:

I hope you're right as this box is definitely on my shopping list. Did I read somewhere that some of the earlier boxes were on the harsh side?

the "review" was actually for the albums that have been released to date, and not the unreleased ones, but he'll probably have the same opinion of those - i'll buy the new unreleased ones when they come out and publish my own opinion here.

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