Thread: Pagans, Heretics only....DVD Audio question

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Post by audioholik May 28, 2010 (41 of 51)
rammiepie said:

But since the Beatles were just remastered in mono and stereo RBCD

Their albums are also available in 24bit FLAC format.

Post by rammiepie May 28, 2010 (42 of 51)
audioholik said:

Their albums are also available in 24bit FLAC format.

True but still not in 5.1 surround! And the engineers who remastered the mono and stereo rbcds were anxious to do the multi~channel mixes awaiting "word" from EMI and those of us who have the DVD-A of "LOVE" know that those later albums greatly benefit from 5.1 remixes.

Post by dobyblue May 31, 2010 (43 of 51)
rammiepie said:

After researching this package on Amazon, UK, the DVD is indeed a 5.1 surround mix but only in the lossy Dolby Digital format.

Yeah, lossy old 448 Kbps Dolby Digital.
The worst thing about this is, all the expensive stuff is done. The time in the studio creating the 5.1 mix is the biggest cost.
Authoring a DVD-A menu and pressing wouldn't even have added 1% to the cost of this project.

I hope in a couple years we'll see these new 5.1 mixes of Tubular Bells, Ommadawn and Hergest Ridge all released on Blu-ray, I'll wait until that time.

Post by rammiepie May 31, 2010 (44 of 51)
dobyblue said:

Yeah, lossy old 448 Kbps Dolby Digital.
The worst thing about this is, all the expensive stuff is done. The time in the studio creating the 5.1 mix is the biggest cost.
Authoring a DVD-A menu and pressing wouldn't even have added 1% to the cost of this project.

I hope in a couple years we'll see these new 5.1 mixes of Tubular Bells, Ommadawn and Hergest Ridge all released on Blu-ray, I'll wait until that time.

His entire output could conceivably be contained on one audio~only blu~ray disc......As dobyblue surmised all the hard work of re~mixing into 5.1 surround is done and conceivably, the Dolby Digital remix was mastered from 96/24 and I totally agree......what a waste of time since Tubular Bells has already been released in both SACD and DVD-A........

Post by JohnProffitt June 3, 2010 (45 of 51)
Not to belabor the point, but I choose to enjoy what is available now, at a reasonable price, rather than railing at what IS NOT AVAILABLE now, and may never be.

The 5.1 recording is a complete re-mix (2009) by Oldfield himself. It sounds substantially different from the 1970s quad mix which is transferred to the earlier SACD release. In my opinion, it is also a significant improvement, with greatly improved overall clarity of sound; improved balances and clarity among the mix of instruments; tighter, more focused bass; and excellent directionality.

The Tubular Bells disc (#3 in the set) is a DVD-A disc, displayed as such in the readout from my player, with multichannel audio present at the analog outputs.

Post by rammiepie June 3, 2010 (46 of 51)
JohnProffitt said:

Not to belabor the point, but I choose to enjoy what is available now, at a reasonable price, rather than railing at what IS NOT AVAILABLE now, and may never be.

The 5.1 recording is a complete re-mix (2009) by Oldfield himself. It sounds substantially different from the 1970s quad mix which is transferred to the earlier SACD release. In my opinion, it is also a significant improvement, with greatly improved overall clarity of sound; improved balances and clarity among the mix of instruments; tighter, more focused bass; and excellent directionality.

The Tubular Bells disc (#3 in the set) is a DVD-A disc, displayed as such in the readout from my player, with multichannel audio present at the analog outputs.

Not to sound redundant, but is this an MLP true DVD-A 96/24 5.1 mix or is it DD or DTS 96/24 remastered? I would appreciate your reply.

Post by dobyblue June 4, 2010 (47 of 51)
JohnProffitt said:

The Tubular Bells disc (#3 in the set) is a DVD-A disc, displayed as such in the readout from my player, with multichannel audio present at the analog outputs.

It's a DVD-V disc with 448 Kbps Dolby Digital only, as confirmed by several members of the Mike Oldfield Tubular.net forums and several members of the QuadraphonicQuad forums also. What player are you using that says it's DVD-A? I can't see why they would author a DVD-A disc with only DD 5.1

As an aside, multi-channel analog outputs work with any multi-channel source whether it be SACD, dts, Dolby, TrueHD, dts-ma, MLP, etc., they're not limited to high resolution lossless/uncompressed sources.

AUDIO_TS folder only works with still pictures, so this is in the VIDEO_TS folder as there is a moving picture present while watching the 5.1 mix no?

From the Quad forums:

Re: NEW: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells (2009 5.1 DD mix)
Sorry, but I hated this more than I can say.
As I already own the Boxed Set (SQ Quads), I really wanted to like this new mix. I never did get the DVDA or SACD, or the orchestral version either as I simply have never seen them yet.
But back to this.
Firstly, what idiot decided that this album of all things only deserved a pitiful amount of the disc bandwidth? I mean, we get 448kbps for the music.
Not even a DTS stream. Yet we do get that silly video playing throughout (although I turned the screen off after only 5 minutes of watching that blasted bell spinning around & around & around & gibber & froth etc.
Wibble.
Sorry about that.

The mix itself is less than inspiring as well. To my ears, it sounded seriously centre channel heavy. So I extracted the AC3 stream, and noticed it was encoded with a dialnorm of -27dB.
For chrissakes, why? It's not dialogue as this is not (supposed to be) a film (although the penchant for preferring visuals over the actual music on behalf of the producer makes me wonder if he realised this) so why are they attenuating the entire bloody mix to fit non-existent dialogue levels of -31dB? It screws the balance completely.
It sounded muffled & indistinct to me too - I played this (without comment) to a musician friend, and then played him the Quad version from Boxed.
I asked for his thoughts, and he said that the second version sounded much more lifelike, as if there was actually someone playing it, and that the first version sounded simply lifeless.

Buy if you are a serious collector only.

Post by rammiepie June 4, 2010 (48 of 51)
Which is why with the dwindling popular/rock hi~rez 5.1 SACDs and even DVDs available, it is essential that blu~ray with its lossless codecs will fill in this gap as time goes on.....would love to see DSD applied to profile 3.0 blu-ray at the highest codec possible.

Post by kev1972 June 21, 2010 (49 of 51)
JohnProffitt said:

I just received, from the UK, the 3-disc set of Tubular Bells. The third disc is a DVD-A containing a brand new 5.1 mix done by Mike Oldfield.

The result is spectacular, and highly effective IMO -- completely superseding the earlier Tubular Bells SACD, which contains the album's original 4.0 quad mix.

It appears similar remixes will be given to Ommadawn and Hergest Ridge, to be released in mid-June.

I was wondering what format of Tubular Bells to purchase but with the SACD going for 80 quid on amazon & the 3 disc deluxe edition going for around 13 quid & with JohnProffitt's recomondation i will invest in the deluxe but having bought this album in several formats before this is i swear the very last time, maybe?

Post by rammiepie June 21, 2010 (50 of 51)
kev1972 said:

I was wondering what format of Tubular Bells to purchase but with the SACD going for 80 quid on amazon & the 3 disc deluxe edition going for around 13 quid & with JohnProffitt's recomondation i will invest in the deluxe but having bought this album in several formats before this is i swear the very last time, maybe?

Actually, being a DVD~A snob, I purchased it anyway and was surprised at how "good" it sounded and the live Tubular bells video (in a studio setting) was a wonderful bonus replete with DTS surround. However, I know it would've sounded richer and fuller in 96/24 MLP but that will have to wait for another reissue (or the remake of the Exorcist).

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