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Discussion: Chopin: Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 2 - William Youn

Posts: 7

Post by FullRangeMan September 27, 2009 (1 of 7)
Chopin is the Elegant piano in every note. The music samples at the Ars Produktion site are to creepy mustache, these performances are wonderful, this SACD promises much.
I do not like buy discs with the conductor or soloist on the cover, the cover belongs to the composer. Ars Produktion site inform this is a DSD recording. Good release.

Post by hiredfox September 28, 2009 (2 of 7)
FullRangeMan said:

Chopin is the Elegant piano in every note. The music samples at the Ars Produktion site are to creepy mustache, these performances are wonderful, this SACD promises much.
I do not like buy discs with the conductor or soloist on the cover, the cover belongs to the composer. Ars Produktion site inform this is a DSD recording. Good release.

I hope so but looking at the Ars back catalogue on here suggest that Zeus has yet to be convinced that DSD A/D converters are used to process signals from the mike amps.

Has anybody bought an Ars SACD and convinced themselves that it is DSD?

Let's not be coy either, in stereo certainly the sound differences between DSD recordings and PCM are unarguable.

Post by Peter September 28, 2009 (3 of 7)
hiredfox said:

Let's not be coy either, in stereo certainly the sound differences between DSD recordings and PCM are unarguable.

I thought the argument was not that the two are indistinguishable, but that one is de facto better than the other.

Listening in stereo doesn't make the difference more stark, in my experience.

Peter, listening to Morton Gould's Tapdance Concerto (for Tapdancer and Orchestra); the first movement cadenza is a hoot.

Post by hiredfox September 28, 2009 (4 of 7)
Peter said:

I thought the argument was not that the two are indistinguishable, but that one is de facto better than the other.

Listening in stereo doesn't make the difference more stark, in my experience.

Peter, listening to Morton Gould's Tapdance Concerto (for Tapdancer and Orchestra); the first movement cadenza is a hoot.

From my very limited experience with Mch, there is a sense that the latter creates a spacial sound field effect from all discs irrespective of recording coding, that has an entirely different character to that of the three-dimensional airiness of DSD clearly evident in stereo but none-the-less can be quite satisfying. The 3D airiness is still present in DSD recorded Mch playback but to me is masked by the overall sound-field effect.

You are quite right about the semantics of differences, otherwise all men would be married to the same perfect woman - bet I won't get away with that!

Post by Claude September 28, 2009 (5 of 7)
FullRangeMan said:

Ars Produktion site inform this is a DSD recording.

Actually, the information on the site is ambiguous. It does not say "DSD recording" but "DSD quality", for every SACD.

Of course every SACD has DSD content, and many SACDs display the DSD logo also when the source material is analogue or PCM.

So either all Ars SACD recordings are indeed DSD, or they just write "DSD quality" because these are SACDs.

Post by FullRangeMan September 28, 2009 (6 of 7)
Reading your posts Iam surprised and more yet to see a Germany music company made this words game in a product that is world wide visible.
Well, early this year I was fooled by other German label music throug. Living and learning...

Post by Peter September 29, 2009 (7 of 7)
hiredfox said:

From my very limited experience with Mch, there is a sense that the latter creates a spacial sound field effect from all discs irrespective of recording coding, that has an entirely different character to that of the three-dimensional airiness of DSD clearly evident in stereo but none-the-less can be quite satisfying. The 3D airiness is still present in DSD recorded Mch playback but to me is masked by the overall sound-field effect.

You are quite right about the semantics of differences, otherwise all men would be married to the same perfect woman - bet I won't get away with that!

I haven't come to the same conclusions as you with DSD/PCM in stereo/MCH - but, as you pointed out to someone else in another thread, it's what works for the particular listener.

Chopin's piano concertos are at best second-rate - but I love 'em!

Rudolf

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