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Discussion: Strauss: Ein Heldenleben, Webern: Im Sommerwind - Haitink

Posts: 9

Post by hiredfox April 15, 2010 (1 of 9)
Yet another Heldenleben on SACD so why am I excited about this one? Bring it on!

Post by Windsurfer April 16, 2010 (2 of 9)
hiredfox said:

Yet another Heldenleben on SACD so why am I excited about this one? Bring it on!

Its now on my wish list!

Post by Arthur April 16, 2010 (3 of 9)
hiredfox said:

Yet another Heldenleben on SACD so why am I excited about this one? Bring it on!

Why? His Concertgebouw recording was a great performance! Sound on the Japanese SACD was good, but the prospect of this conductor with the glorious CSO in surround doing this? Mouth-watering!

Of course, beware, remakes have a way of failing to live up to expectations engendered by the original.

But for me too, it went straight to the top of my wish-list!

Bret

Post by diw July 4, 2010 (4 of 9)
was this recorded by Polyhymnia?

Post by Castor July 4, 2010 (5 of 9)
diw said:

was this recorded by Polyhymnia?

No.It was Classic Sound.
Producer James Mallinson
Engineer Christopher Willis

Post by diw July 4, 2010 (6 of 9)
Too bad

Post by hiredfox July 4, 2010 (7 of 9)
diw said:

Too bad

That's a bit unfair. Classic Sound do all the LSO Live and Mariinsky's and a damn fine job they do as well. The recording on this new CSO Resound is exemplary as usual but Heldenleben is a difficult piece to mike as huge forces are at work throughout so you get that sort of congested effect you experience in the concert hall live which is authentically captured. In the lighter solo moments such as the beautiful cor anglais solo in Hero's Return the timbres are perfectly captured. This is not the most dramatic or heroic Heldenleben I've heard but it will not disappoint either especially CSO followers.

Post by Windsurfer July 4, 2010 (8 of 9)
hiredfox said:

That's a bit unfair. Classic Sound do all the LSO Live and Mariinsky's and a damn fine job they do as well. The recording on this new CSO Resound is exemplary as usual but Heldenleben is a difficult piece to mike as huge forces are at work throughout so you get that sort of congested effect you experience in the concert hall live which is authentically captured. In the lighter solo moments such as the beautiful cor anglais solo in Hero's Return the timbres are perfectly captured. This is not the most dramatic or heroic Heldenleben I've heard but it will not disappoint either especially CSO followers.

Unfortunately Classic Sound appear to derive their center channel from a matrix of the left and right fronts, rather than a discrete center channel as from Polyhymnia, Channel Classics, almost all BIS, Tudor and fortunately quite a few others. Why they choose to "cheap out" is beyond me. But if you have multi-channel gear you can hear the difference between the recent CSO Resound Stravinsky done by Polyhymnia and any of the ones done by Classic Sound. The superiority of the Polyhymnia product is clear. Also all the first Mariinsky recordings were done by SoundMirror of Boston, who also know what to do with the center channel while Mariinsky done by Classic Sound have that same fakey flaky amorphous center image just like in stereo.

I often say that stereo is crippled from the outset when it comes to sound staging, well Classic Sound's way of recording multi-channel (and unfortunately they are not alone) isn't much better.

Given that they are accessing the world's finest orchestras and conductors it is a crime that they won't take the time and money to do it correctly! But maybe they are getting these contracts by virtue of their willingness to "cheap out" when it comes the the multichannel recording.

Post by hiredfox July 5, 2010 (9 of 9)
Windsurfer said:

Unfortunately Classic Sound appear to derive their center channel from a matrix of the left and right fronts, rather than a discrete center channel ... Why they choose to "cheap out" is beyond me. But if you have multi-channel gear you can hear the difference between the recent CSO Resound Stravinsky done by Polyhymnia and any of the ones done by Classic Sound.

Thanks for the insight. I noted on an earlier thread that the Sound Mirror people were working with James Mallinson's people on the Mariinsky's so it would be surprising if Classical Sounds and they were not comparing notes so to speak.

If one system was far superior to the other wouldn't you have thought that they would have agreed a 'best practice' to be adopted by both. Maybe they just have slightly different philosophies on recording and agree to disagree. Surely it couldn't be a cost issue? Classic Sounds recordings are more often than not exemplary in my experience as indeed are Sound Mirrors' but would caution that my system is HQ stereo only.

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