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Discussion: Bach: Suites Nos. 1-4 - Fasolis

Posts: 7

Post by Beagle May 5, 2010 (1 of 7)
Very baroque: natural horns and biting bowing -- and VERY FAST, e.g.

BWV 1046
20:49 1991 Concert des Nations
19:51 1982 English Consort
18:41 1999 Stuttgarter Kammerorchester
16:57 2004 I Barocchisti

--Savall & Co. do the Adagio in 4:09 but the Barocchisti do it in 3:04 (and it sounds like the latter are doing ALL the repeats...).

Post by Polly Nomial May 6, 2010 (2 of 7)
I have to say that they are not doing all the repeats (Bach: Overtures - Suzuki who does notches up about 26 minutes and his account is nowhere near half the speed of Fasolis)! It does sound rather nice though - put onto my wish list...

Post by Fitzcaraldo215 May 6, 2010 (3 of 7)
Beagle said:

Very baroque: natural horns and biting bowing -- and VERY FAST, e.g.

BWV 1046
20:49 1991 Concert des Nations
19:51 1982 English Consort
18:41 1999 Stuttgarter Kammerorchester
16:57 2004 I Barocchisti

--Savall & Co. do the Adagio in 4:09 but the Barocchisti do it in 3:04 (and it sounds like the latter are doing ALL the repeats...).

I have both the SACD and the Surround Records Blu-ray music release. (The BR eliminates the Suite #4, substituting a Triple Concerto.) I am not overwhelmed by the I Barocchisti performances. Sonically, it is good on SACD, but considerably better on the BR, as I have previously posted. For those interested, it was originally recorded in 96K PCM. But, I and my cohorts also found the BR version preferable of a Brendel Mozart DSD-mastered SACD. That was on 3 different systems. My findings are burried somewhere here at this forum.

Post by Links March 1, 2011 (4 of 7)
I bought the Surround Records Blu-ray edition (that's what they call it anyway and uses a Blu-ray box)
But what it is in reality is a duplicated dual layer DVD+R (CMC media) , not a commercially replicated pressed disc.
May or may not play in your Blu-ray player, and you can only hope will last as long as your own home burned DVDs.
It's fraudulent.
Do not buy any Surround Records Blu-ray music releases.

Post by Claude March 2, 2011 (5 of 7)
Maybe you received a fake. The original Surround Records release is on a BD25 disc, with DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 sound.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Bach-Orchestral-Suites-No-1-2-and-3-and-Tripelkonzert-Blu-ray/1962/

Edit: Somebody on the the blu-ray.com forum reported the same in 2008. Maybe there was a batch of test disks which were leaked, or these are fakes

http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-movies-north-america/68418-johann-sebastian-bach-orchestral-suites-no-1-2-3-tripelkonzert-acoustic-reality.html

Post by Claude March 2, 2011 (6 of 7)
I found this thread, where the Surround Records owner answers questions. I didn't see if he adresses the DVD-R issue

http://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-discussion/63987-ask-questions-blu-ray-music-insider-alexander-j.html

It could well be that all his releases are DVD+Rs, because he put this very fishy explanation on the german Amazon site, to hide that his Blu-ray discs are really DVDs:

"Dies ist eine Audio-Only Disc.
Die Mini Blu-ray Disc ist eine auf dem roten Laser basierende DVD mit Blu-ray-Datenstruktur und -Inhalt, deswegen wird auch die Bezeichnung BD-9 genutzt, eine Mischung aus BD (für Blu-ray Disc) und DVD-9."

My translation: "This is an audio-only disc. The mini Blu-ray disc is a DVD made with a red laser and using Blu-ray data structure and content. Therefore the term "BD-9" is being used, a mixture of BD (Blu-ray disc) and DVD-9."

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0044NAOJG

Anyway, I wouldn't trust a guy who so frequently puts portraits of himself on the cover of his releases ;-)

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?studioid=51

Post by Links March 2, 2011 (7 of 7)
Pure and simply this is a fraud,
NOT a Blu-ray commercially replicated pressed disc.
NOT copy protected
(DVDs you burn at home can not be copy protected)
so I simply made a backup copy to another dual layer Verbatim DVD+R.
Better media than the CMC that they burned to.
You could burn dozens of these and stick them in Blu-ray boxes and sell for 1/2
the price they are charging.

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