Thread: Is the SONY US SACD pressing plant slated to re~open its doors?

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Post by tailspn March 10, 2012 (151 of 188)
audioholik said:

Hiredfox, do you know where BSO pressed its Profanes et Sacrées - Boston Symphony Chamber Players SACD?

Sony DADC Terre Haute ID, USA

Post by hiredfox March 10, 2012 (152 of 188)
tailspn said:

Sony DADC Terre Haute ID, USA

I recall your anecdote. A journey well made!

Post by DUP March 10, 2012 (153 of 188)
rammiepie said:

Teresa, I second that motion wholeheartedly. If GM can rise from the ashes and become one of the pre~eminent manufacturer of automobiles in the world by reinventing its strategies, then a pressing plant in the USA can revitalize the missing element in the ongoing SACD discography......pop, jazz and rock...hopefully the multichannel contemporary variety which could potentially attract newcomers to the format at hopefully affordable prices.

Whether that wishful reverie becomes fact is anyone's guess.

Adele won 6 grammies at this year's award ceremony and has sold millions of albums and has a live concert at Royal Albert Hall recorded in stunning sonics which happens to come packaged as a RBCD only available with her live BD concert. Why is she NOT represented on SACD......and her recording company happens to be SONY.
Are these people at SONY mad?

Let's get this party going because as far as I'm concerned....it's only beginning......as SACD awareness seems to be experiencing a Renaissance of sorts.

Really glad that Nagraboy revitalized this thread....always knew he was a Yankee at heart.

GM is NOT preeminent at anything, they still build more junk than any company. don't disparage record company by calling GM into play. GM is a joke.

Post by rammiepie March 10, 2012 (154 of 188)
DUP said:

GM is NOT preeminent at anything, they still build more junk than any company. don't disparage record company by calling GM into play. GM is a joke.

Whether they build junk or not is anyone's guess but the fact remains they're selling like "hotcakes."......just leased my first BMW and I will NEVER lease one again. Should've invested in another Jeep Grand Cherokee but the lease rates were higher than the beamer.

But that wasn't the point of my post. SACDs were cheaper and more plentiful when Terre Haute was in FULL production mode.

Post by Nagraboy March 10, 2012 (155 of 188)
rammiepie said:

Really glad that Nagraboy revitalized this thread....always knew he was a Yankee at heart.

A Yankee, eh? Well, I certainly would be peeved if you tipped my English tea into the sea somewhere near tailspn's neighbourhood!

BTW right now I'm listening to this Rammie:

Mozart, Haydn: Duo Sonatas - Podger, Rogers

Superb in every way. Jared's done it again!

Post by rammiepie March 10, 2012 (156 of 188)
Nagraboy said:

A Yankee, eh? Well, I certainly would be peeved if you tipped my English tea into the sea somewhere near tailspn's neighbourhood!

BTW right now I'm listening to this Rammie:

Mozart, Haydn: Duo Sonatas - Podger, Rogers

Superb in every way. Jared's done it again!

And I'm listening to the DVD~A set of Pete Townsend's Scoop 3 released by Classic Records in 2001. Pretty heady stuff.

Terre Haute, Indiana is NOWHERE hear tailspn..........who happens to be a Boston redneck....and ironically, the genesis of the Boston Tea Party!

But nowhere near as "kinky" as Amaldo who has a cowboy fetish.....ya know, spurs and silver buckles! Ride 'em Cowboy........

Post by tailspn March 10, 2012 (157 of 188)
rammiepie said:

But that wasn't the point of my post. SACDs were cheaper and more plentiful when Terre Haute was in FULL production mode.

Well, let's see. When SACDs were more plentiful(?), labels were originating more content, and the manufacturing side of the biz scaled up to meet that demand. Ten years ago, it cost about $2.50 to $3.00 a SACD to manufacture in under 5,000 quantities. Today, that's about $4.00 an SACD. The label receives about $5.00, out of which it has to pay its production costs, royalties, and overhead. Like the wine biz, the quickest way to make a million dollars, is start with two million.

The average selling price in the US is about $18 at the non brick and mortar outlets, like the Amazon partners. Who do you think should take it in the keister to get the more reasonable pricing you would like?

Post by tailspn March 10, 2012 (158 of 188)
rammiepie said:

Terre Haute, Indiana is NOWHERE hear tailspn..........who happens to be a Boston redneck....and ironically, the genesis of the Boston Tea Party!

I resemble that!

Post by Nagraboy March 10, 2012 (159 of 188)
rammiepie said:

And I'm listening to the DVD~A set of Pete Townsend's Scoop 3 released by Classic Records in 2001. Pretty heady stuff.

Terre Haute, Indiana is NOWHERE hear tailspn..........who happens to be a Boston redneck....and ironically, the genesis of the Boston Tea Party!

But nowhere near as "kinky" as Amaldo who has a cowboy fetish.....ya know, spurs and silver buckles! Ride 'em Cowboy........

That's what I was alluding to by mentioning tailspn - The Boston Tea Party!

And talking of cowboy fetishes, I'm yet to watch Brokeback Mountain on Blu-Ray disc. Must ask Arnaldo for his expert opinion LOL.

Back on topic - I suppose the limited market for SACDs keeps sales low, which keeps prices high to cover manufacturing costs, which stops people dipping their foot in the water to try it. I don't know the answer, except to say that I have to regard SACDs in the same category as audiophile vinyl - expensive and exclusive, but worth paying for.

Post by rammiepie March 10, 2012 (160 of 188)
tailspn said:

Well, let's see. When SACDs were more plentiful(?), labels were originating more content, and the manufacturing side of the biz scaled up to meet that demand. Ten years ago, it cost about $2.50 to $3.00 a SACD to manufacture in under 5,000 quantities. Today, that's about $4.00 an SACD. The label receives about $5.00, out of which it has to pay its production costs, royalties, and overhead. Like the wine biz, the quickest way to make a million dollars, is start with two million.

The average selling price in the US is about $18 at the non brick and mortar outlets, like the Amazon partners. Who do you think should take it in the keister to get the more reasonable pricing you would like?

Talk about a redneck response.............Better add more honey to your tea to sweeten the pot.

I am in no way complaining about most current classical labels like BIS, Channel, TACET, etc. who price their multichannel discs most realistically and invite further discounting from third party vendors at venues like Amazon..........In fact, they're virtual bargains when one takes into consideration that they actually record, press and market these discs on their own.

It's the re~issue specialists (excluding Pentatone) who are gouging consumers (with again the exception of Living Stereo/Mercury reissues done back in the day.

And even AP and MoFi have to pay licensing fees to the majors and then have to DSD remaster these discs and in the case of AP have these discs pressed in Austria.

All one has to do is compare SACD prices with BD prices and see that when ALL the majors are involved, prices will come down and then some.

Japan, Inc. has always charged higher prices and the BS that they're made to sell in Japan, only, seems like a very moot point which has been deemed irrelevant by the ability to buy these discs via the world wide net.

And since there is no regional codes as in BD releases, wouldn't it be nice if even Japan, Inc. could find a way to make their pricing more attractive to customers outside the US?

I am also aware that the Limited Edition Status of a lot of SACDs also drives the price up....sometimes considerably. Because if one doesn't have the readily available cash, at hand.....you might as well forget about ever owning that particular SACD.

And perhaps the same argument can be made for American Companies like AP and MoFi whose prices are considerably more (including shipping costs and import tariffs) outside the US.

So, tailspn, you, myself and DSD (Teresa) can run the pressing plant in Indiana and we'll import Nagraboy from across the pond to crack the whip and hopefully serve us Tea at 4 pm......SHARP!

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