Thread: SACDs sow confusion?

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Post by Paul Clark October 23, 2010 (1 of 8)
Deluxe versions sow confusion

Looking to plug a few holes in the sinking ship known as the music business, major-label music execs are filling the market with different editions of the same albums.

...but record labels don’t care as long as it boosts sales.

http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/music/general/view.bg?articleid=1290506

Taylor Swift new album “Speak Now”

$8 CD
$17 Deluxe CD/DVD
$15 Vinyl
$19 Karaoke

SACD still not on their radar.

IF $30+ SACD would you buy it?

Post by rammiepie October 23, 2010 (2 of 8)
Paul, actually this is NOT a new phenomenom.......It's been referred to as "double dipping," wherein an album is released and then a month later, a deluxe version is "foisted" on the unsuspecting public boasting a few extra cuts and possibly a few music videos.

It's already a mainstay in the video market........example....the movie "The Hangover." It's just been reissued as a deluxe raunchier version with a few added scenes but not worth the $10 upgrade over the original.

Double Dipping also comes under the guise of 24 bit remastered version but in that case the upgrade is usually (but not always) better.

Witness the new Beatles Remasters. According to some music reviewers, the upgrade wasn't all that dramatic (and they also had the 24 bit/44.1 USB stick version).

In fact, John Lennon once mused that you really haven't heard "Sergeant Pepper" properly unless you've heard the MONO version (different intros and sound effects which were absent in the stereo version).

And how many times have albums we already own become available in SACD or DVD~A....well, in that case, the upgrade is usually a no~brainer.

And even in Hi~rez: How many versions of Kind of Blue do we need or Getz Gilberto....there's a lot of double dipping going on in that area, as well.

And even "remastered from the original master tapes" has NO bearing anymore as 96/24 digital remasters are commonplace. But intellectually, a lot of those absolute masters are in NO condition to be utilized over and over.

Post by Hercules October 23, 2010 (3 of 8)
Lang Lang Live in Vienna, Sony Published 4 version, CD, Deluex CD+DVD, DVD complete concert and Blu-Ray Complete Concert, but no SACD too.

Post by Disbeliever October 24, 2010 (4 of 8)
Paul Clark said:

Deluxe versions sow confusion

Looking to plug a few holes in the sinking ship known as the music business, major-label music execs are filling the market with different editions of the same albums.

...but record labels don’t care as long as it boosts sales.

http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/music/general/view.bg?articleid=1290506

Taylor Swift new album “Speak Now”

$8 CD
$17 Deluxe CD/DVD
$15 Vinyl
$19 Karaoke

SACD still not on their radar.

IF $30+ SACD would you buy it?

Definately not I would never pay $30 for any SACD disc > I am reminded of the nonsense concerning RB CD's from DSD , as I played some very old AAD RB CD's yesterday that I have not listened to for many years , they were very enjoyable(must be the D.L.L. feature on my Sony AV receiver) in fact more so than some of my overated SACD's. I can now see why most ofthe High End tend to totally ignore sacd.

Post by rammiepie October 24, 2010 (5 of 8)
I've also had a renewed honeymoon as of late with my RBCDs and DVD~A's. As My NuForce OPPO BDP~83 is breaking in, DVD~A's are sounding wonderful and there are so many incredible RBCDs I am rediscovering and I finally ameliorated the bass and phantom center channel problems with the addition of another shakti hologram and with my extensively treated/dampered discs spinning through the system I can truly say that all is well in Rammiepie's listening arena. Sonic nirvana, at last!

But, Disbeliever, don't discount the $30 discs from Analogue Productions.......if you can find them discounted, they do sound superb...certainly bettering their RBCD counterparts in many important parameters.

Post by Claude October 24, 2010 (6 of 8)
Hercules said:

Lang Lang Live in Vienna, Sony Published 4 version, CD, Deluex CD+DVD, DVD complete concert and Blu-Ray Complete Concert, but no SACD too.

Given that it's a concert recording, shot in HD and recorded in hi-rez surround (PCM), the Blu-ray is actually the optimal format, while the CD is more of a "compatibility release", for people who are used to listen to music on a CD player.

A SACD version would not make much sense there, as it does not offer superior sound to the Blu-ray. The CD+DVD version is superfluous too, as the DVD is available seperately. Maybe that's why they made it a "limited edition".

It's different for a studio recording, where the video material of the accompaning DVD/Blu-ray of the deluxe version usually consists of bonus material, like video clips or documentaries.

Post by The Seventh Taylor October 24, 2010 (7 of 8)
Another point in case: /showthread/60309/60327/y#60327

Bryan Ferry's new Olympia album will come in four versions:
1) vinyl
2) CD
3) a 'Deluxe Edition': 1 CD+ 1 DVD
4) an 'Immersion Edition' consisting of 2 CDs, 1 DVD and a book, all in a nice 10" case.

Now the DVD could contain a 5.1 mix but especially the title Immersion Edition to me suggests something like surround sound. Unfortunately it's not quite that immersive. According to Bryan Ferry's official site the DVD contains:
- a 30-minute documentary consisting of track-by-track interviews with Bryan Ferry, the production team and musicians involved
- the music video for You Can Dance
- a behind-the-scenes featurette on the making of the album cover
The second CD contains alternative mixes of seven of the songs of the main CD.

It sounds lovely and sure, I can live with the fact that there's no multichannel mix, but whence the name 'Immersion Edition'?

Post by dpastern May 29, 2012 (8 of 8)
Paul Clark said:

Deluxe versions sow confusion

Looking to plug a few holes in the sinking ship known as the music business, major-label music execs are filling the market with different editions of the same albums.

...but record labels don’t care as long as it boosts sales.

http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/music/general/view.bg?articleid=1290506

Taylor Swift new album “Speak Now”

$8 CD
$17 Deluxe CD/DVD
$15 Vinyl
$19 Karaoke

SACD still not on their radar.

IF $30+ SACD would you buy it?

But no one is making you buy the different versions...

And this is quite common in the music industry, and has been for years, so please don't single Taylor out and try to imply that it's only her doing it. Quite often the artist doesn't get a say in this anyways, let alone what songs are on the album.

Dave

PS I actually collect Taylor Swift CDs as a side hobby, so I have like 7 different versions of Fearless, 3 or 4 of Speak Now, 3 or 4 of Taylor Swift and a bunch of USDJ promos too.

Dave

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