Thread: BUY 4 GET 1 FREE campaign for 73 SHM-SACD titles from CDJapan

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Post by rammiepie November 13, 2010 (31 of 45)
The Seventh Taylor said:

Do you really believe so? I'm a multichannal afficionado and have the opposite impression: that audiophilia and hence SACD is still dominated by stereo lovers -- the continuing flow of stereo-only players and stereo-only SHM-SACDs from Japan are the proof that this is where the money flows -- and that people caring about multichannel music are a rare and endangered species.

You're correct in that assumption.

But one listen to the George/Giles Martin remix in DVD~A of the Beatles music unearthed a wealth of inner detail not present in even the new Beatles remasters.

A Dense mix demands more than stereo and in the right hands, multi~channel is that much needed panacea.

IMO, Those content with pure stereo should also have a vinyl playback system because the choice of music in Vinyl as opposed to SACD is much greater.

Denigrating the SACD standard is becoming very annoying and for the prices Universal/Japan and Esoteric are charging for their stereo reissues is a gyp.

I just purchased the Time/Life Jan Werner produced "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" comprising 5 hours and 30 minutes of hi~def video and DTS 5.1 Master Audio for US $32.00 (brand new).

I am really tired of paying $50-$60 for a stereo only, 37-50 minute content SACD.

Post by John November 14, 2010 (32 of 45)
Where there are original recordings in quad or 5.1 or discrete multi-track a good multichannel option on SACD may well result, in the hands of good transfer engineers. However many of the older stereo two-track recordings are more likely to lose than gain something by translation to multichannel. Quite a few of the SHM-SACD transfers are from stereo two-track masters.

Better to have a stereo-only SACD than none at all.

Post by Disbeliever November 14, 2010 (33 of 45)
DSD said:

Can you provide a link please? I googled it and didn't find it. I have trouble believing he actually said this.

Ken said this to me at the latest demo of his new very expensive multi-channel SACD set-up at the Whittlebury Hall National Audio Show nr Towcester Northants UK . last September. Ken says mch has the advantage over stereo of not having to sit in the sweet spot.

Post by Disbeliever November 14, 2010 (34 of 45)
Nicolas said:

Thanks, it's very intereting.
Coul you tell me what's your Hi-Fi setup for M-CH?

If you click on Disbeliever you will see my mch SACD/BLU-Ray set up

Post by Disbeliever November 14, 2010 (35 of 45)
Nicolas said:

I assume the Britten war requiem SHM-SACD have a MCH recording.

I do not know, you should ask those who buy these expensive discs.

Post by hiredfox November 14, 2010 (36 of 45)
Disbeliever said:

Ken said this to me at the latest demo of his new very expensive multi-channel SACD set-up at the Whittlebury Hall National Audio Show nr Towcester Northants UK . last September.

I am surprised that you see things this way after his awful performance at Whittlebury. As a long-term admirer of KI this was for me a major let down which demonstrated for all to see that Ken was not up to speed on Mch or infallible in his pronouncements. Indeed my recollection is that you have not been KI's greatest fan in the past.

Next year may be different but the feeling left with me is that he was under pressure from Marantz to change course to accommodate the wider buying public interested in AV rather than cater solely for the limited and declining numbers of stereo hi-fi purists.

It is interesting to note this year the emergence of his new Legendary Series Blu-ray player rather than the earlier hinted at SA7-S2.

I hope his research into high-end stereo has not come to an end but these are tough times for everyone and whilst D & M have a healthy brand portfolio and sales appear to be holding up, nobody can be immune as this recession has a long, long way to run.

Post by Disbeliever November 14, 2010 (37 of 45)
hiredfox said:

I am surprised that you see things this way after his awful performance at Whittlebury. As a long-term admirer of KI this was for me a major let down which demonstrated for all to see that Ken was not up to speed on Mch or infallible in his pronouncements. Indeed my recollection is that you have not been KI's greatest fan in the past.

Next year may be different but the feeling left with me is that he was under pressure from Marantz to change course to accommodate the wider buying public interested in AV rather than cater solely for the limited and declining numbers of stereo hi-fi purists.

It is interesting to note this year the emergence of his new Legendary Series Blu-ray player rather than the earlier hinted at SA7-S2.

I hope his research into high-end stereo has not come to an end but these are tough times for everyone and whilst D & M have a healthy brand portfolio and sales appear to be holding up, nobody can be immune as this recession has a long, long way to run.

Ken says mch has the advantage over stereo of not having to sit in the sweet spot. Probably the not so good sound of his demo at Whittlebury Hall was mostly down to room acoustics & speakers,a waste of £38K that his in my opinion absurd 'multi channel wide bandwidth Soundscape' system costs.The interconnects alone cost approx £2,5K So much simpler & better with a good processor or AVR & HDMI.

Post by The Seventh Taylor November 14, 2010 (38 of 45)
John said:

Better to have a stereo-only SACD than none at all.

Sure, but for me hardly better. I was just surprised at Teresa's pessimism: stereo will never go away -- not on CD, not on vinyl it seems and not on SACD either; there have hardly been any SACDs without stereo DSD on them. I think as a fan of multichannel music I have far more reason to be pessimistic.

Post by Goodwood November 14, 2010 (39 of 45)
But one listen to the George/Giles Martin remix in DVD~A of the Beatles music unearthed a wealth of inner detail not present in even the new Beatles remasters.

A Dense mix demands more than stereo and in the right hands, multi~channel is that much needed panacea.

I am really tired of paying $50-$60 for a stereo only, 37-50 minute content SACD.

The key here is "remix". Yes the version of Help is amazing and I only have a stereo system. Of course much of the detail is lost on the CD version of Love. Nevertheless, as I commented about Layla and the 3 disk anniversary CD set a remix has the capacity to sound better in many ways than an SACD.

I agree about the $50-60 pricing but it was very simple for me - the complete lack of material was something I was finding far more painful.

Some of these SHM-SACDs are a joy to listen to and I have no regrets at all (apart from buying a bunch before this offer was announced).

I am not a huge fan of the Origamipak or the spines all looking the same but these are moot really.

Post by Bear72 November 15, 2010 (40 of 45)
Goodwood said:


I am not a huge fan of the Origamipak or the spines all looking the same but these are moot really.

GW, just spin the OBI so it sits over the "opening" side while storing. Simple

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