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Discussion: Pink Floyd: Wish You Were Here

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Post by LooseLeaf March 2, 2014 (181 of 205)
samayoeruorandajin said:

By looking at the list of people who recommend this recording on this site, pretty much. You are in the minority on this, I'm afraid.

Well, ,...Like box office receipts of a so named block buster movie , the money taken in says nothing of how good said movie really is,...the reality of this so often reveals just a lot of movie goers with bad taste
Does anyone here know what happened to the master tapes of WYWH , this would account for the lack lustre boring sound of this release.

Post by FullRangeMan March 2, 2014 (182 of 205)
LooseLeaf said:

Floyd, Wish you Were here
What happened ? The sonics from this sacd are worst then the original Lp which I have a pristine UK first pressing ,
Play back is OK on vinyl .however WYWH is not in the same league as other Floyd recordings., not even close . I have listened to enough pressings over the decades to realize Wish you were a Here is a mediocre recording from the start.

Definitely there is some over enthusiasm over this re-issue , I'm happy I did not spend the money on this sacd.
I believe there were problems with the master tapes,...
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My copy of WYWH sound great, the sound quality is just like the DSOTM SACD.
My rbCD copy sound as a regular CD would sound, of course the SACD is miles ahead.

Post by hooperthom March 2, 2014 (183 of 205)
LooseLeaf said:

Well, ,...Like box office receipts of a so named block buster movie , the money taken in says nothing of how good said movie really is,...the reality of this so often reveals just a lot of movie goers with bad taste
Does anyone here know what happened to the master tapes of WYWH , this would account for the lack lustre boring sound of this release.

On my system it sound wonderful, maybe your system just being OK needs another look.

Post by samayoeruorandajin March 2, 2014 (184 of 205)
LooseLeaf said:

Well, ,...Like box office receipts of a so named block buster movie , the money taken in says nothing of how good said movie really is,...the reality of this so often reveals just a lot of movie goers with bad taste
Does anyone here know what happened to the master tapes of WYWH , this would account for the lack lustre boring sound of this release.

3 posts on this site and you've already decided to tell everyone here they don't have good taste or know what they're talking about re: sound. So you come to this site to be provocative and be confrontational from the get go. To you it's boring, to most here it's great.

Post by LooseLeaf March 2, 2014 (185 of 205)
hooperthom said:

On my system it sound wonderful, maybe your system just being OK needs another look.

Yes, that could be true, I need a proper shelf space for my PlayBack MPS5, could be spurious vibrations effecting it when music reaches concert levels.....
Maybe you know what happened to the master tapes,...

Post by LooseLeaf March 2, 2014 (186 of 205)
samayoeruorandajin said:

3 posts on this site and you've already decided to tell everyone here they don't have good taste or know what they're talking about re: sound. So you come to this site to be provocative and be confrontational from the get go. To you it's boring, to most here it's great.

Well no, I'm new to sacd play back and I want to learn, I just noticed some problems with this reissue and I agree with the others here that also found problems . Don't take my comments as offensive , please,..

Post by samayoeruorandajin March 2, 2014 (187 of 205)
LooseLeaf said:

Well no, I'm new to sacd play back and I want to learn, I just noticed some problems with this reissue and I agree with the others here that also found problems . Don't take my comments as offensive , please,..

Ok, I understand. It's simply a matter of taste and perhaps the various pieces of equipment we all have I think.

Post by hooperthom March 2, 2014 (188 of 205)
LooseLeaf said:

Yes, that could be true, I need a proper shelf space for my PlayBack MPS5, could be spurious vibrations effecting it when music reaches concert levels.....
Maybe you know what happened to the master tapes,...

Unless AP is lying it was the original Analog tape. Wish You Were Here is a multitrack masterpiece. Now, to have it mixed for 5.1 surround sound and stereo from the original analog master tapes by Pink Floyd's Producer/Engineer James Guthrie is, well, pretty damn exciting.

Post by Iain March 2, 2014 (189 of 205)
LooseLeaf said:

Yes, that could be true, I need a proper shelf space for my PlayBack MPS5, could be spurious vibrations effecting it when music reaches concert levels.....
Maybe you know what happened to the master tapes,...

http://www.brain-damage.co.uk/albums/pink-floyds-wish-you-were-here-sacd-review-and-interviews-including-james-gu.html

Of relevance in this interview is:
... " Is Pink Floyd's The Wall Immersion edition going to have a 5.1 Surround Mix?

James: My understanding is that EMI plan to stick to their release schedule for the 'Why Pink Floyd?' campaign, which means there wouldn't be time to include a 5.1 mix in 'The Wall' Immersion Box. I will be doing a 5.1 mix of The Wall for release on SACD, but we don't have a planned release date for that yet. The original multitrack tapes are in pretty bad shape, so the project will take some time. I'm currently working on a Blu-ray release of 'The Wall' Movie.

By "the original multitrack tapes being in pretty bad shape" - are you referring to the Ampex (or other brand) reel tapes manufactured post 1978 that can gum up tape machines and shed magnetic oxide?

James: Yes. Half-way (ish) through the 70s, and unbeknownst to all of us in the studio world, the tape manufacturers changed the formula of the glue that bonds the oxide to the backing of the tape. I'm told that the original glue contained whale oil, so they had to change to a synthetic oil and that synthetic oil unfortunately causes the glue to break down over time, producing a gummy substance that seeps through the oxide making the tapes unplayable. Fortunately, a bright spark bravely discovered that you could bake the tapes and then safely play them a few times. But, that's not the only challenge when it comes to restoration - Edits, or tape splices, and the breakdown of the glue in the splicing tape that holds those edits together, have caused huge problems. I made hundreds of edits on both the 2" and the ¼ tapes of 'The Wall', so you start to get an idea of how time-consuming the restoration can be.

Additionally, there was a manufacturing period of 2 or 3 years where the tapes were particularly unstable. Of course, they appeared fine at the time. Both 'The Wall' and 'The Final Cut' albums are recorded on the peak of that bad tape.

Are any other Floyd multitrack tapes, in your experience, suffering from this particular problem?

James: Everything after 1976 or 1977 is susceptible to the problem. Even the tape we are using now. And it's not just the multitrack tapes that are affected the ¼ and ½ masters are in the same predicament. ..."

That said, they did a wonderful job with the tape restoration and the SA-CD pressing. I'm continually amazed WYWH sounds as good as it does, WRT this.

However, it does seem that you have more than a few system anomalies that need sorting. On my system, WYWH sounds as if it were recorded yesterday direct to DSD. I have no issues with it at all.

This is as good as it gets, mate.

EDIT: DSOTM pales in comparison.

Post by rammiepie March 2, 2014 (190 of 205)
LooseLeaf said:

Yes, that could be true, I need a proper shelf space for my PlayBack MPS5, could be spurious vibrations effecting it when music reaches concert levels.....
Maybe you know what happened to the master tapes,...

You have one of the finer stereo playback units currently gracing the SACD market. What type of analogue interconnects are you using? What pre/pro are you using?

99.9% of the time, Analogue Productions produces some of the finest sounding SACDs available and IMHO, Wish You Were Here sounds simply amazing in multichannel.....although, I confess, I have NOT heard the stereo mix.

You might also want to consider elevating your MPS~5 on isolation devices to decouple it from vibrations, etc. Makes a huge difference.

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