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Discussion: Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 3, Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini - Shui

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Post by jdaniel January 2, 2012 (1 of 32)
Very interesting. I thought Shui's interpretation of the 1st mov't of Debussy's La Mer was one of the most atmospheric and harrowing I've ever heard, thankfully never descending into Rattle-like fussiness. I now wait with keen anticipation for new recordings from his orchestra.

Now, if I may descend into Rattle-like fussiness: did you or the orchestra buy a better, deeper, more resonant bass drum, one that makes love to the Hall? I don't mean to fetishize or be Teresa-esque but for both La Mer and especially Bridge's "The Sea," the bass drum sounded more like my mother beating a rug on a clothes line. Much of the "terror" in La Mer and grandeur of "The Sea" was short-changed, IMHO. And when I think about the bass drum's presence in the closing pages of Rach's Symphony #3....

IIRC, the first thing Culshaw always did, (of Decca/London fame), was buy the orchestra a good bass drum.

: )

Post by Jonalogic January 2, 2012 (2 of 32)
Good news for anyone to offer us a symphony that's not his second, but can some kind label offer us a decent Rach 1, pretty please?

I might be in a minority, but I find it by far his most gripping and intense symphony.

Post by bissie January 2, 2012 (3 of 32)
Jonalogic said:

Good news for anyone to offer us a symphony that's not his second, but can some kind label offer us a decent Rach 1, pretty please?

I might be in a minority, but I find it by far his most gripping and intense symphony.

Just wait....

Robert

Post by Hitters January 2, 2012 (4 of 32)
Jonalogic said:

Good news for anyone to offer us a symphony that's not his second, but can some kind label offer us a decent Rach 1, pretty please?

I might be in a minority, but I find it by far his most gripping and intense symphony.

I agree! I find the 3rd more interesting than the famous 2nd and do not understand why is it so resisted. The Singapore SO is a terrific orchestra. Their rendition of Debussy's La Mer is my favorite. I am really looking forward to this release.

Post by flyingdutchman January 2, 2012 (5 of 32)
The 2nd is so hard to pull off, it meanders so.

Post by armenian January 2, 2012 (6 of 32)
Hitters said:

I agree! I find the 3rd more interesting than the famous 2nd and do not understand why is it so resisted.

I also prefer the 3rd but it is a more difficult work to get it right. Among dozen or so RBCD in my collection my favorite is Ashkenazy/RCO.
Just like Mahler 5th, the opening outburst pretty mush sets the pace of what will follow in terms of performance with this symphony.

Vahe

Post by Hitters January 2, 2012 (7 of 32)
armenian said:

I also prefer the 3rd but it is a more difficult work to get it right. Among dozen or so RBCD in my collection my favorite is Ashkenazy/RCO.
Just like Mahler 5th, the opening outburst pretty mush sets the pace of what will follow in terms of performance with this symphony.

Vahe

Thanks for the data. I haven't heard many versions, actually. I will insist on a BIS option, as I regularly seem to do. Though on RBCD, I very much enjoy the Royal Scottish National Orchestra under Owain ArwelHughes (BIS CD1665/66). I find the playing outstanding (in spite the strings could sound more meaty) and I also find a good grip and sense of purpose in the conducting. Never heard Ashkenazy's recording, though I have listened to him conduct two or three times and consider him quite talented as a conductor.

Post by jdaniel January 2, 2012 (8 of 32)
Hitters said:

Thanks for the data. I haven't heard many versions, actually. I will insist on a BIS option, as I regularly seem to do. Though on RBCD, I very much enjoy the Royal Scottish National Orchestra under Owain ArwelHughes (BIS CD1665/66). I find the playing outstanding (in spite the strings could sound more meaty) and I also find a good grip and sense of purpose in the conducting. Never heard Ashkenazy's recording, though I have listened to him conduct two or three times and consider him quite talented as a conductor.

Actually one of the best 3rds IMHO and critically-acclaimed is Janson's/Leningrad on EMI with Symphonic Dances. Pretty good recording too.

Post by wehecht January 2, 2012 (9 of 32)
I've always been partial to the Stokowski, originally on Desmar LP and reissued on rbcd by EMI. The performance is a little fussy, but nobody does strings like Stoky did strings.

Post by Jonalogic January 3, 2012 (10 of 32)
bissie said:

Just wait....

Robert

Cool, thanks.

J

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