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Discussion: Beethoven: Triple Concerto, Brahms: Double Concerto, Violin Concerto - Oistrakh

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Post by seth April 26, 2012 (21 of 27)
tream said:

I was never a huge fan of this recording of the Triple Concerto - I think it is a tad bloated. Owned it for years. However, I must be missing something...Norman Lebrecht, in his book "The Life and Death of Classical Music" included this as one of his 20 worst recordings of all time....Since the execrable Lebrecht is a documented shader of truth, there must be more in this recording than met my eye (or ear).

His book The Maestro Myth was bad.....full of sly innuendos, undocumented assertions, and unwarranted character assassinations....I bought the "Life and Death of Classical Music" with my eyes wide open, because I just had to see what was on his list of the top 100 classical recordings ever made (as well as his bottom 20).....don't bother, not worth it.

I'm with you. I've always found the sound of the orchestra to be too thick and opaque.

But frankly, I really don't think the Triple Concerto is a good piece of music. If it wasn't for the fact that it gives orchestras a way to have three star soloists play at the same time, it would rarely be performed.

Post by canonical April 26, 2012 (22 of 27)
seth said:

If it wasn't for the fact that it gives orchestras a way to have three star soloists play at the same time, it would rarely be performed.

Why would you want to pay for 3 soloists to appear, if you could run a programme with just 1 soloist.

It costs money to get 3 star soloists to appear ... but only the same number of seats to fill.

Post by seth April 26, 2012 (23 of 27)
canonical said:

Why would you want to pay for 3 soloists to appear, if you could run a programme with just 1 soloist.

It costs money to get 3 star soloists to appear ... but only the same number of seats to fill.

That's my point. Orchestras could easily program it without hiring outside soloists -- none of the parts are that difficult -- but they choose not to. The only time it gets performed is when an orchestra wants three star soloists performing at once, such as some kind of gala.

Post by sunnydaler April 29, 2012 (24 of 27)
If only EMI had included Beethoven: Violin Concerto - Oistrakh on disc 1...

Post by dist1610 June 5, 2012 (25 of 27)
Claude said:

I was underwhelmed by this.

To compare the mastering differences alone, I ripped the Great Recordings CD and the CD layer of the SACD for the Beethoven Triple concerto and A/B'ed the last movement using the foobar2000 ABX plugin.

My conclusion is that the CD sounds a bit veiled compared to the redbook layer of the SACD. The difference is quite subtle though.

The hi-rez layer doesn't really bring a huge benefit to the sonics of this recording, where the solo instruments sound too close and the orchestra rather bland.

I compared the EMI - CD - Recording of the Century with the New EMI-SACD.
My conclusion:
I was a little bit disappointed. The sound of the orchestra seems (for me) a little bit narrow on the sonic stage, the piano of Richter doesn't really integrated in the sound. The high frequencies seemed to be cut off.
For me not a got deal sorry, it's the first time, that the SACD layer is not better than the EMI-RoC CD
The Violin Concert is another case. The SACD sounds better, but IK prefer the Esoteric-SACD. It sounds warmer, the violins seems to be more "on stage".
dietmar from austria

Post by Claude March 13, 2015 (26 of 27)
John Marks from Stereophile included this SACD in the "Records to Die for" list in 2014, but retracted his recommendation last month after he found out that the tapes were transferred at the wrong speed

http://www.stereophile.com/content/fifth-element-89

Post by Lunna March 13, 2015 (27 of 27)
So lukewarm reviews at best, yet 18 out of 18 persons recommend this. I'm confused.

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