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Discussion: Stéphane Denève conducts Debussy

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Post by jeff3948 June 21, 2012 (251 of 361)
Hitters said:

Yes. The Glazunov is simply perfect. Enjoy!

Yes, thanks, it was absolutely incredable.

Post by canonical June 21, 2012 (252 of 361)
jeff3948 said:

One final comment to Chandos, I noticed that your website still shows “Recorded in DSD” for the Delius SACD and many other Chandos produced SACDs going backwards in time. You really do need to correct that.

Quite.

Post by Fugue June 21, 2012 (253 of 361)
PCM, DSD, two Dixie cups and a string--whatever they actually used, it sounds wonderful! If they truly aren't using DSD, then they should absolutely remove the designation. Maybe the PCM master is transferred to DSD for final mastering? Regardless, it's one of their best sounding discs so far.

Post by jeff3948 June 21, 2012 (254 of 361)
Fugue said:

PCM, DSD, two Dixie cups and a string--whatever they actually used, it sounds wonderful! If they truly aren't using DSD, then they should absolutely remove the designation. Maybe the PCM master is transferred to DSD for final mastering? Regardless, it's one of their best sounding discs so far.

Chandos informed me that the Delius SACD was original recorded in 24/96 and translated into DSD for SACD and that is the way that all Chandos originated recordings are made. So I would surmise that this Debussy SACD was done the same way and also tells me that the mastering was done in 24/96 as well and then converted to DSD for placement on SACD. I agree, the Debussy is wonderful and one of their best to date. But the last Delius Concertos SACD recording was not so good due to the very distant microphone placement from the orchestra, in my opinion.

Post by CHSA June 23, 2012 (255 of 361)
jeff3948 said:

Chandos informed me that the Delius SACD was original recorded in 24/96 and translated into DSD for SACD and that is the way that all Chandos originated recordings are made. So I would surmise that this Debussy SACD was done the same way and also tells me that the mastering was done in 24/96 as well and then converted to DSD for placement on SACD. I agree, the Debussy is wonderful and one of their best to date. But the last Delius Concertos SACD recording was not so good due to the very distant microphone placement from the orchestra, in my opinion.

Dear Jeff,

This is the first time I have written on here basically because I really do not have the time to answer every ones questions. As well as being the MD of Chandos Records I also have my old job of Chief engineer for the majority of Chandos' orchestral and operatic recordings. Therefore, like recently, I am out of the office more than I am in.
With this in mind I have to rely very heavily on a small but dedicated and loyal staff to look after the day to day chores of running a record company.
Hence the responses you have received in the past by one of our accountants, who in his spare time answers the general enquiries received at Chandos.

So, to the main topic, PCM or DSD?

I have received your personal emails Jeff but thought I owe a public response to all the discussions that have been going on regarding Chandos' SACD's.
But before I do I just want to say that I take personal offense to being called a liar and a cheat but will take it no further.

The point which has upset everyone is "Recorded in DSD". This I now realise was a stupid mistake way back in our art department. The fact that an SACD has to be encoded in DSD to be manufactured was what they drew on when putting together the graphics. Of course you may well ask why I did not pick up on this. Well, I too just read it as the disc is recorded in DSD and not the original recording. Obviously I know now that the wording is misleading.

Therefore please accept my official apology for this error.

As you have already pointed out we have started to change the "recorded in ...." section on our new releases and will within a couple of weeks correct the definitions on our websites.

Just to confirm, our standard way of recording at Chandos is 24bit / 96Khz and has been for many years. Yes, there are a few SACD's that are "Recorded in DSD" but they come from outside sources.

At the end of the day I still maintain its what comes out of the speakers that counts and all the technology and numbers in between are just the way of achieving the goal. Quite honestly I think 99.9% of our customers would be hard pushed to tell the difference between an SACD recorded in PCM 24/96 and one recorded in DSD.

The fact (as I have pointed out before) that our manufacturer DADC has only one press left capable of making SACD's is a worrying situation. When they stop making them, which will come one day soon I'm sure, we will be joining the many other labels giving up the format. But, until that happens we (unlike others) see the benefits of the format in surround sound and will go on to support it.

I hope this has clarified our position and will put an end to this discussion which has quite honestly got out of hand.

Lastly, I just wanted to thank you Jeff for the lovely reviews you put on Amazon for the Debussy.

Post by pgmdir June 23, 2012 (256 of 361)
Thanks for posting, Ralph! It appears that no one disputes the excellence of this release. While I dislike the lack of civility that this thread sometimes evidenced, I am glad that at least it led to future clarification. Chandos is a fine label, and I certainly appreaciate your continued support of SACD.

Bill

Post by canonical June 23, 2012 (257 of 361)
zeus ... the sa-cd.net database states that over 50 Chandos titles are recorded in DSD. According to the posting above from the Chandos MD, this is plainly incorrect. The label apparently understood the term:

"Recorded in DSD 5-channel surround sound"

... to mean that it was recorded onto the disc in "DSD 5 channel surround sound" . Not sure if this means it was actually recorded in stereo, but recorded to disc in mc.

Either way ... do hope you can rectify the mistake on sa-cd.net, as Chandos themselves will be doing on their web site.

Post by flyingdutchman June 23, 2012 (258 of 361)
canonical said:

zeus ... the sa-cd.net database states that over 50 Chandos titles are recorded in DSD. According to the posting above from the Chandos MD, this is plainly incorrect. The label apparently understood the term:

"Recorded in DSD 5-channel surround sound"

... to mean that it was recorded onto the disc in "DSD 5 channel surround sound" . Not sure if this means it was actually recorded in stereo, but recorded to disc in mc.

Either way ... do hope you can rectify the mistake on sa-cd.net, as Chandos themselves will be doing on their web site.

Maybe people should go back who reviewed discs where they previously thought them to be DSD and retract their reviews.

Post by raffells June 23, 2012 (259 of 361)
flyingdutchman said:

Maybe people should go back who reviewed discs previously thought to be DSD and retract their reviews.

+1 or should that be +64.

ps some havent finished on this.
The Wicked Witch of the West has some explaining to do re her
comments (LIES) that Chandos agree they had recorded this an item 24/48.
No wonder she could not provide proof when requested....

The reported 24/48 sacd HOLST, WHICH SHE CHECKED ??????
is 24/96, straight from the CEO, Yes I already knew and have since had clarification of both the Chandos Holst sacds being 24/96.
Anyone on this site could have checked it via the download of a noise free PCM file.
Evidence of this checking may be posted on UTube very soon..Madame T Badloser should be her new name I and a few others will refer to as her official name.
"PROVEN LIAR" just on this site with links posted on other sites.

The so called suspicious Telarc item checking is also likely to be videoed for a posting on Utube.

Post by jeff3948 June 23, 2012 (260 of 361)
CHSA said:

Dear Jeff,
...
So, to the main topic, PCM or DSD?

I have received your personal emails Jeff but thought I owe a public response to all the discussions that have been going on regarding Chandos' SACD's.
But before I do I just want to say that I take personal offense to being called a liar and a cheat but will take it no further.

The point which has upset everyone is "Recorded in DSD". This I now realise was a stupid mistake way back in our art department. The fact that an SACD has to be encoded in DSD to be manufactured was what they drew on when putting together the graphics. Of course you may well ask why I did not pick up on this. Well, I too just read it as the disc is recorded in DSD and not the original recording. Obviously I know now that the wording is misleading.

Therefore please accept my official apology for this error.

[Remaining Quote was too large to include]

Dear Ralph,

Thank you for responding. I want to publicly apologize for calling you and your relatives a liar. It was wrong of me to assume an intentional deception had been made and not just a mistake. I let the anger get the best of me. I'm so glad you explained to us what happened. You have cleared up everything for me. Your new Debussy booklet clearly states everything just as you have explained it. I'm looking forward to buying and listening to more Chandos recordings in the future. Thank you, so much.

Sincerely,
Jeff

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