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Post by SteelyTom December 6, 2012 (1 of 13)
Anyone care to compare the new MoFi mono version of Milestones with the earlier, stereo Japanese SACDs? The latter appear to be highly thought of-- but in mono we trust? At least we have two competing, contrasting presentations.

Post by Claude December 7, 2012 (2 of 13)
I posted this on the Steve Hoffman forum in August

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I got Milestones today and A/B-ed it with the stereo version in the Miles/Coltrane box set (metal box version). The sound of the Mofi is fuller and mellower, and because the early stereo mix isn't entirely successful I don't mind the mono limitation.

But what caught my attention most is that the mono recording plays a bit slower than the stereo (the Sony CD and JSACD are nearly idenical, the track timings just one second apart maximum).

Here are the track timings compared:

MoFi / Sony
1. Dr Jackle: 5:55 / 5:45
2. Sid's Ahead: 13:15 / 12:59
3. Two Bass Hit: 5:20 / 5:10
4. Milestones: 5:49 / 5:42
5. Billy boy: 7:20 / 7:10
6. Straight no chaser: 10:48 / 10:34
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http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/miles-davis-remasters-by-mobile-fidelity-2012.292185/page-3

Post by Nagraboy December 7, 2012 (3 of 13)
Plays more slowly? Maybe it's just longer silences after each track finishes.

Post by Claude December 7, 2012 (4 of 13)
No, it's the real track playing times that differ, and the differences are proportional to the length of the tracks. So it looks like an issue with the tape speed. Either the mono is too slow or the stereo too fast.

This could have happened during the recording. Remember that there was a speed problem with one LP side of the "Kind of Blue" album, that was corrected only in 1992.

Post by SteelyTom December 8, 2012 (5 of 13)
Hmm, I suppose MoFi gets the nod with more music-- well, a minute more-- than the JSACD! Too bad MoFi messed with the cover art.

Post by ciderglider April 30, 2013 (6 of 13)
There's a recent review of this disc on the www.audaud.com site, which complains that this isn't actually a mono release. To my ears it sounds strictly monaural. Any other opinions?

Post by pacwin April 30, 2013 (7 of 13)
ciderglider said:

There's a recent review of this disc on the www.audaud.com site, which complains that this isn't actually a mono release. To my ears it sounds strictly monaural. Any other opinions?

Of course it's mono and very fine at that. The audiophile audition reviews are hardly worth reading. See also his review of the Milestones vinyl on April 15th where he appears to confuse vinyl with compact disc. No editorial oversight and has confused dual mono with stereo.More internet detritus to wade through.

Post by korowa April 30, 2013 (8 of 13)
Comparing mono with stereo is like comparing chalk with cheese.
The SQ of the MFSL Mono SACD is top notch.
"Milestones was originally released in mono, and also was released in electronically re-channeled stereo (also called pseudo-stereo), but was properly remixed and remastered in stereo for The Complete Columbia Recordings of Miles Davis with John Coltrane, which created an opportunity to create a proper stereo reissue of Milestones in 2009 on the Columbia/Legacy label."
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/miles-davis-remasters-by-mobile-fidelity-2012.292185/page-2#post-7929876

Post by ciderglider May 1, 2013 (9 of 13)
Is it possible for a SACD to be mono, i.e. containing just one channel of information, or is a mono SACD just the stereo "layer" with the same information in both channels?

Post by Kveld-Úlfr May 1, 2013 (10 of 13)
ciderglider said:

There's a recent review of this disc on the www.audaud.com site, which complains that this isn't actually a mono release. To my ears it sounds strictly monaural. Any other opinions?

Strictly monaural indeed.

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