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Discussion: Bach: The Suites for Violoncello BWV 1007-1012 - André Navarra

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Post by Lute May 26, 2013 (1 of 53)
Here is yet another wonderful performance of Bach's cello suites for us to enjoy on SACD. The original analogue tapes from 1977 and 1978 by Georges Kisselhoff were rediscovered & remastered in 2012. Beautiful sound!!

Post by Fugue May 26, 2013 (2 of 53)
At $140, it's a tad pricey.

Post by Lunna May 26, 2013 (3 of 53)
Sheer Chutzpah - definitely not music for the masses ...

Post by wehecht May 26, 2013 (4 of 53)
Let's see, I've got this one, Bach: Cello Suites - Martin Ostertag, an austere almost solemn set, and this one, Bach: 6 Suites a Violoncello Solo senza Basso - Quirine Viersen, a joyous set full of subtle humor (Mr. Miller's review is spot on). Each is excellent in its own way, both as performances and recordings. Current amazon price for both is about $40 total, leaving a hundred bucks on the table for 5 or 6 more discs from your favorite labels. No disrespect to Mr. Navarra intended, but you'd have to be nuts or living in circumstances where money is no object.

Post by canonical May 26, 2013 (5 of 53)
wehecht said:

Let's see, I've got this one, Bach: Cello Suites - Martin Ostertag, an austere almost solemn set, and this one, Bach: 6 Suites a Violoncello Solo senza Basso - Quirine Viersen, a joyous set full of subtle humor (Mr. Miller's review is spot on). Each is excellent in its own way, both as performances and recordings. Current amazon price for both is about $40 total, leaving a hundred bucks on the table for 5 or 6 more discs from your favorite labels. No disrespect to Mr. Navarra intended, but you'd have to be nuts or living in circumstances where money is no object.

My view is quite different: I think you would have to be financially reckless to spend $40 on the middle-of-the-range renditions you refer to (in particular, the latter, which is just weak), when there are outstanding renditions like Starker's or Navarra's available. I'd rather spend a $100 and get the real deal on SACD .... or $5 and buy a top class cellist like Fournier on redbook ... than spend $40 and get something that is at best mediocre.

Anyway, one doesn't have to spend $140 to buy the Navarra set ... JPC has it for 70 euro. As to the qualities of the Navarra set ...

* On the performance side, it is very different to Starker ... I would describe it as a very personal (rather than public) performance ... as if to walk past someone's study or practise room and hear them playing it to and for themselves ... contemplative and personal. It is also not as technically perfect ... but a different experience.

* On the sonics side, the sound is superb. But then so is Starker.

My first preference on SACD would undoubtedly remain Starker. But this is a lovely and interesting addition to have, along with Lipkind, and well worth the purchase, in my view.

Post by Iain May 27, 2013 (6 of 53)
canonical said:

My view is quite different: I think you would have to be financially reckless to spend $40 on the middle-of-the-range renditions you refer to (in particular, the latter, which is just weak), when there are outstanding renditions like Starker's or Navarra's available. I'd rather spend a $100 and get the real deal on SACD .... or $5 and buy a top class cellist like Fournier on redbook ... than spend $40 and get something that is at best mediocre.

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My first preference on SACD would undoubtedly remain Starker. But this is a lovely and interesting addition to have, along with Lipkind, and well worth the purchase, in my view.

...... Hidemi Suzuki

Post by jazz1 May 27, 2013 (7 of 53)
No SACD is worth 100$.
This highway robbery, the artist is making no extra money.
And btw the "second rate" performances talked about are excellent, myself
I downloaded in hirez the Rostropovich which I really like/
I do have the Starker it is excellent but not my fav, I prefer the old Maurice Gendron on Philips

Post by wehecht May 27, 2013 (8 of 53)
canonical said:

My view is quite different: I think you would have to be financially reckless to spend $40 on the middle-of-the-range renditions you refer to (in particular, the latter, which is just weak), when there are outstanding renditions like Starker's or Navarra's available.

I stand by my recommendation of Viersen's version (try typing that fast five times). Of the eight versions in my collection, the other six being rbcds, no other gives me such a feeling of joy in the listening. These are, after all, suites of dances, not academic exercises. One of the great pleasures of "record" collecting is the opportunity to experience different approaches to seminal works, and so to each his own.

Post by jazz1 May 27, 2013 (9 of 53)
wehecht said:

I stand by my recommendation of Viersen's version (try typing that fast five times). Of the eight versions in my collection, the other six being rbcds, no other gives me such a feeling of joy in the listening. These are, after all, suites of dances, not academic exercises. One of the great pleasures of "record" collecting is the opportunity to experience different approaches to seminal works, and so to each his own.

This is exactly for the same reasons I like Maurice Gendron, it feels like a dances, too many of the so called famous recordings the playing is too academic.

Post by Euell Neverno May 30, 2013 (10 of 53)
canonical said:

My view is quite different: I think you would have to be financially reckless to spend $40 on the middle-of-the-range renditions you refer to (in particular, the latter, which is just weak), when there are outstanding renditions like Starker's or Navarra's available. I'd rather spend a $100 and get the real deal on SACD .... or $5 and buy a top class cellist like Fournier on redbook ... than spend $40 and get something that is at best mediocre.

And, my view is quite different for the following reasons:

(1) As is well known, the Bach Cello Suites, in particular, lack specific performance guidelines from the composer due to the lack of the original manuscripts. Hence, there is much room for individual interpretation. Interpretive differences among musicians produce interpretive preferences among listeners. Using the term "mediocre" to describe a particular recorded performance of the Suites is in many cases simply a reflection of individual preferences respecting performance style. There is no "real deal."

(2) There are many competent, highly skilled musicians in the world. Describing the cellists in question as "mediocre" is at best inaccurate. The skills are certainly there, even if one does not prefer the particular interpretation.

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