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Discussion: Mahler: Symphony No. 4 - Pinnock

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Post by Jonalogic June 11, 2013 (1 of 20)
When will this Mahler madness end?

I now look forward to the Hillbilly transcription for kazoo and jug band.

Personally, I would now ban ALL new Mahler recordings. I love the guy, but enough is enough, surely?

Post by fausto K June 11, 2013 (2 of 20)
agreed, but I sure hope Honeck, Nott, and Fischer are allowed to complete their (half-)cycles

Post by Jonalogic June 11, 2013 (3 of 20)
fausto K said:

agreed, but I sure hope Honeck, Nott, and Fischer are allowed to complete their (half-)cycles

OK, I will graciously allow you a dispensation, just this once, but all subsequent transgressors will be punished severely, once I can think of a suitably gruesome punishment.

Hmmm... must watch Game of Thrones again for some inspiration. It never fails.

Anyway, isn't a half-cycle a penny farthing? Or a unicycle?

Post by sylvian June 11, 2013 (4 of 20)
Jonalogic said:

OK, I will graciously allow you a dispensation, just this once, but all subsequent transgressors will be punished severely, once I can think of a suitably gruesome punishment.

Hmmm... must watch Game of Thrones again for some inspiration. It never fails.

Anyway, isn't a half-cycle a penny farthing? Or a unicycle?

Game of Thrones never fails???

Very bad book (although I quite like the guy - J.RR.Martin), ugly 5-player boardgame with ugliest extention (for 6 players) and the worst has already come: Very bad adaptation of the bad book in endless series.

If anyone wish to do new Mahler cycle he/she should be allowed to do, the other thing is, who would wish to buy them? :-)

Frankly, I would welcome if Sieghart wished to record the rest of symphonies and that will do.

Post by Jonalogic June 12, 2013 (5 of 20)
sylvian said:

Game of Thrones never fails???

Very bad book (although I quite like the guy - J.RR.Martin), ugly 5-player boardgame with ugliest extention (for 6 players) and the worst has already come: Very bad adaptation of the bad book in endless series.

You are entitled to your opinion. But we kinda profoundly disagree on all this except for the board game - and that's simply because I'm not familiar with it!

I understand that the recent Series 3 finale on HBO has become the most pirated TV programme in history, so I suspect a shed-load of other folk might also disagree with your assessment!

In fact, you might be just about unique in this respect.

Post by sylvian June 12, 2013 (6 of 20)
Jonalogic said:

You are entitled to your opinion. But we kinda profoundly disagree on all this except for the board game - and that's simply because I'm not familiar with it!

I understand that the recent Series 3 finale on HBO has become the most pirated TV programme in history, so I suspect a shed-load of other folk might also disagree with your assessment!

In fact, you might be just about unique in this respect.

Thank for the respect, Jon.

I have always headed eleswhere than the crowd: it is my personal sport, beacuse I have never felt very good inside the flock. The fact, that "everyone is buying this or that, so why dont you?" is recommendation to behave the opposite way for me.

regards

Post by Jonalogic June 12, 2013 (7 of 20)
sylvian said:

Thank for the respect, Jon.

I have always headed eleswhere than the crowd: it is my personal sport, beacuse I have never felt very good inside the flock. The fact, that "everyone is buying this or that, so why dont you?" is recommendation to behave the opposite way for me.

regards

David Hi

My pleasure.

Likewise, I have never been a subscriber to the theory 'eat sh*t, 10 trillion flies can't be wrong'

In fact, it will abundantly be clear from this Forum that I just love going against perceived wisdom, when I feel this is justified. There is delight in bucking trends and herd-think, to be sure.

Nevertheless, sometimes the majority does manage to get it right. And, for me, GOT (or should I say ASOIAF?) is one of those times.

Meanwhile, however, back to topic the incessant flow of new Mahler recordings seems to me increasingly absurd. Do these really add anything to what, say, Bernstein, Szell, Karajan, Walter, Klemperer, Solti, Haitink, Tennstedt - even MTT et al - have uttered?

I think I could forgive it if there were not such blatant repertoire gaps remaining elsewhere in the SACD medium.

More broadly, I also have the feeling that re-releasing a limited repertoire of current crowd pleasers whilst ignoring new or different repertoire is a recipe for the stagnation and ghetto-isation of classical music.

Yes, I know, companies have to make profit rather than satisfy me; so, what really astonishes me is that this plethora of recordings - frankly sometimes with not-so-stellar performers, orchestras and sonics - still manages to sell.

I assume they sell, that is, or why would the companies release them?

Cheers

Jon

Post by pgmdir June 12, 2013 (8 of 20)
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Yes, I know, companies have to make profit rather than satisfy me; so, what really astonishes me is that this plethora of recordings - frankly sometimes with not-so-stellar performers, orchestras and sonics - still manages to sell.

I assume they sell, that is, or why would the companies release them?

Cheers

Jon

Exactly. Record companies, distributors, orchestras and performers---all in a lot of trouble these days. They've got to do what sells. Mahler sells. Beethoven sells. Ya gotta play the hits or you're dead. You and I can keep our eyes open for the treasures we've been waiting for, and hope for the best. Heck, I NEVER thought I'd see things like Durufle's Requiem or Barber's Violin Concerto be as well served as they are.

Post by sylvian June 12, 2013 (9 of 20)
Dear Jon,

When you have mentioned Tennstedt, Szell, Kubelik, Zander, Macal et al..... these guys have (had) their personal views on Mahler (as well as the others did) and also your appretiation or disapproval is changing overtime (inevitably), mine as well. Some representation(s) of Mahlers music might fell dated, some not. But this particular Pinnock version is different performing version of the two major works by the two outstanding composers and might be worth exploring.

I have always welcomed some sort of adaptation or actualisation of the finished work. Mind that world is changing so rapidly we hardly notice that. So I welcome every new Mahlerian release, only for the fact, that it is amazing how the world responds to his work, that is 100+ years closed. I presume, that Mahler would be still present for another 100 years from now on and we two cannot change a thing on this.

Post by chenzl June 12, 2013 (10 of 20)
Jonalogic said:

When will this Mahler madness end?....Personally, I would now ban ALL new Mahler recordings. I love the guy, but enough is enough, surely?......

Agreed, but I think the madness will continue :)

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