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Discussion: Atterberg: Orchestral Works Vol. 2 - Järvi

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Post by Vaan February 20, 2014 (1 of 35)
The review by Graham Williams of this SACD is very positive indeed. It makes me wonder if the reviewer has heard any of the other two recordings of the second symphony. Järvi knocks off about ten minutes in the symphony compared to Rasilainen and Westerberg and the tempo in the slow movement is ridiculously fast. Järvi is to fast and literal in this music and the same goes for no 8 which is some five minutes faster than Rasilainen. Atterberg was a romantic at heart and his music has far more nuances and warmth than what is heard here.

Post by Castor February 21, 2014 (2 of 35)
Yes, I am very familiar with the Rasilainen recordings of these symphonies on CPO, but not the one by Stig Westerberg. I do not believe that Atterberg's late-romanticism and Järvi's fast tempi in these works are mutually exclusive. For me, Järvi's more urgent approach serves the music very well, but I accept that others may hear things differently. However, I am sure that we both agree that this fine music needs as many advocates as possible.

Post by steviev February 21, 2014 (3 of 35)
Vaan said:

Järvi knocks off about ten minutes in the symphony compared to Rasilainen and Westerberg and the tempo in the slow movement is ridiculously fast.

Jarvi's no spring chicken, and so if he wants to achieve his personal goal of being the most-recorded conductor in the history of man on this planet, it's gotta be all presto all the time.

Post by krisjan February 23, 2014 (4 of 35)

Post by Vaan February 23, 2014 (5 of 35)
"cinematic splendour..." yes, but Atterberg's music is not film music! A rubbish review of a rubbish performance.

Post by samayoeruorandajin February 23, 2014 (6 of 35)
As much as anyone would want to focus on specific words out of context, the Musicweb reviewer also calls the music heroic and relates the heroic nature of Atterberg's music to the heroic nature of the music found in Korngold's Robin Hood music, etc.

Of course, it's good to not take words separately out of context like I know some people like to do. I, for one, will like to see how the Chandos recordings stack up to the CPO recordings.

Post by TerraEpon February 23, 2014 (7 of 35)
Just judging from the samples, the finale of Symphony No. 8 is way too fast. It almost is mentally painful -- and I'm usually one who loves fast, but in this case it just feels so off (perhaps because I'm so used to the CPO recording but even still)

A shame, since Vol. 1 was fantastic...

Post by Vaan February 24, 2014 (8 of 35)
Words are important and I didn't quote out of context. The reviewer was very clear when he compared this music to Korngold and film music in general. The previous release contained two extrovert symphonies that can take the Järvi treatment but most of the symphonies cannot. I hate to think about how Järvi will slaughter the third symphony with its long lines and developements.

Post by steviev February 24, 2014 (9 of 35)
Vaan said:

I hate to think about how Järvi will slaughter the third symphony with its long lines and developements.

Yes. The Third (my favorite) is all about atmosphere, not blistering virtuosity. Jarvi's typical "let's get 'er done!" house sauce is the last thing this symphony calls for.

Post by krisjan April 1, 2014 (10 of 35)
Reflecting on these performances, I suspect that a part of Jarvi's shorter movement timing in Sym 2 is a result of not taking some repeats. With no score, I can't be sure but 30 minutes over 3 movements should equate to tempos that are on average 25% faster than Rasilainen on CPO. They don't sound that much faster to me so I deduce that there are cuts somewhere. I don't have the time nor desire to pursue it more deeply. Suffice it to say that IMO Jarvi's brisker tempos don't ruin this music for me despite preferring Rasilainen in No.2.

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