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Discussion: Rolling Stones: Exile On Main Street

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Post by Mahler-fan April 3, 2014 (1 of 16)
The (only) reviewer (at this moment) says

"The Blu-ray mastering has been proven to be identical to the (pricey) Japanese import SHM-SACD, which itself has garnered heavy praise from Stones devotees and Hi-Res fans."

What is the proof that it is identical to the SHM-SACD. I know the mastering engineers on the SHM-SACD are others than on the Universal RBCD disasters. But I have no info on the BD-A.

Post by Claude April 3, 2014 (2 of 16)
There is no proof indeed, just an assumption.

Somebody on the Steve Hoffman forum compared the DR values of the BD-A with the SHM-CD (which has the same mastering as the SHM-SACD), and they are very close.

At least it is certain that the BD-A does not have the compressed mastering of the latest CD remasters (DR7 vs DR11).

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ume-prepping-blu-ray-audio-titles-for-europe-pt3.348117/#post-10276368

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=rolling&album=exile

Post by rammiepie April 3, 2014 (3 of 16)
Claude said:

There is no proof indeed, just an assumption.

Somebody on the Steve Hoffman forum compared the DR values of the BD-A with the SHM-CD (which has the same mastering as the SHM-SACD), and they are very close.

At least it is certain that the BD-A does not have the compressed mastering of the latest CD remasters (DR7 vs DR11).

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ume-prepping-blu-ray-audio-titles-for-europe-pt3.348117/#post-10276368

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=rolling&album=exile

I have the SHM~SACD and although it's a bit hot, it is heads and tails better than the recently remastered RBCD version and for roughly double the price of the BD~A I would wait for further reviews before making a purchasing decision.

Post by fredblue April 3, 2014 (4 of 16)
Mahler-fan said:

The (only) reviewer (at this moment) says

"The Blu-ray mastering has been proven to be identical to the (pricey) Japanese import SHM-SACD, which itself has garnered heavy praise from Stones devotees and Hi-Res fans."

What is the proof that it is identical to the SHM-SACD. I know the mastering engineers on the SHM-SACD are others than on the Universal RBCD disasters. But I have no info on the BD-A.

Don't just take my word for it, by all means check it out for yourself at the SH forums.

There you will see DR info etc has been gathered for both the SHM-SACD and the BDA by folk much more knowledgeable, technical and hardcore about these things than me.

If I can find the relevant posts I'll pop the link here.

Post by fredblue April 3, 2014 (5 of 16)
Claude said:

There is no proof indeed, just an assumption.

Somebody on the Steve Hoffman forum compared the DR values of the BD-A with the SHM-CD (which has the same mastering as the SHM-SACD), and they are very close.

At least it is certain that the BD-A does not have the compressed mastering of the latest CD remasters (DR7 vs DR11).

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ume-prepping-blu-ray-audio-titles-for-europe-pt3.348117/#post-10276368

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=rolling&album=exile

now I LOVE sacd and I've been the first person to slate these HFPA Blu-ray's since last May! many of these Blu-ray's really are inferior.. but for this album, unusually so, it appears they are one and the same.. how and why etc, who knows but it is surely impossible for the DR ratings to marry up so and they be different masterings.. the two may sound different for any number of reasons, DSD sound quality, playback equipment, the room, our ears, etc, etc., but how can it be due to the source and mastering in this instance at least!?

Post by fredblue April 3, 2014 (6 of 16)
in fact, if we're being pedantic, the DR is greater on a couple of tracks on the Blu-ray.. which surprises me no end...but really it's splitting hairs, they are so similar its a non-issue.

those with SACD and especially with great SACD playback equipment, have a superb disc and for the folks with Blu-ray who care enough to buy these BDA's there's the Blu-ray which, subjectively, is just as good and so similar on this rare occasion the non-SHM SACD owning Stones fan ought not feel they are particularly missing out :).

then there are those of us here who can get both the SHM-SACD and the BDA cos they're not limited to just one disc format.. or just can't get enough of that good stuff! :-D

Post by fredblue April 3, 2014 (7 of 16)
also worth adding, the Blu-ray is now only £10 from Amazon. I had to pay £20+ from Fnac in France to have it day & date.. what have you got to lose by trying it out for yourself? a mere tenner?

Post by Mahler-fan April 4, 2014 (8 of 16)
Fredblue,

If you own the BD-A (I suppose so since you reviewed it), could you just look who has done the mastering and post it.

The Stones SACD's were all "DSD transferred from analogue master tapes by Mick McKenna and Richard Whittaker at the FX Copyroom, 2011."

If you could find a reference to this on the BD-A everybody who likes to have Exile in HiRes can be sure about the BD-A and save a significant amount of money. (Not me, I own the SACD.)

Post by rammiepie April 4, 2014 (9 of 16)
fredblue said:

in fact, if we're being pedantic, the DR is greater on a couple of tracks on the Blu-ray.. which surprises me no end...but really it's splitting hairs, they are so similar its a non-issue.

those with SACD and especially with great SACD playback equipment, have a superb disc and for the folks with Blu-ray who care enough to buy these BDA's there's the Blu-ray which, subjectively, is just as good and so similar on this rare occasion the non-SHM SACD owning Stones fan ought not feel they are particularly missing out :).

then there are those of us here who can get both the SHM-SACD and the BDA cos they're not limited to just one disc format.. or just can't get enough of that good stuff! :-D

For me, Fred, with all my crazy players it's a matter of the DVD~As sounding better than the Universal BD~A counterparts because my DVD player is superior to even the OPPO BDP 105 and I use the Marantz SA 11S3 to play back the SHM~SACDs which does sound significantly better than the Oppo in 2 channel BD~A playback.

I'm in no way damning the OPPO's playback as movie soundtracks and concert videos sound and look absolutely stunning but in music only playback, I get far more traction from my Meridian 800 (DVD~A) and the Marantz SA11S3.

As I type this, my Meridian 861 v.6 pre/pro is going through a significant upgrade (to a v.8 status) with a much improved linear power supply and all new DACs so I will report back on my findings as to how it affects my OPPO BDP~105 playback (but in my mind's eye, the Meridian 800 and the Marantz SA 11S3 will also sound significantly better so it should be a rather interesting comparison)

Post by fredblue April 4, 2014 (10 of 16)
Mahler-fan said:

Fredblue,

If you own the BD-A (I suppose so since you reviewed it), could you just look who has done the mastering and post it.

The Stones SACD's were all "DSD transferred from analogue master tapes by Mick McKenna and Richard Whittaker at the FX Copyroom, 2011."

If you could find a reference to this on the BD-A everybody who likes to have Exile in HiRes can be sure about the BD-A and save a significant amount of money. (Not me, I own the SACD.)

as is (agonisingly super annoyingly..) customary (and inexcusable for a product purporting to be High Fidelity Pure Anything) with these Universal HFPA Blu-ray's, there is no source info nor mastering credit anywhere to be found, neither in the pathetic booklet, nor on the case/inner, nor on the disc label, nor on the onscreen menu.

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