Thread: SACD Stereo: it doesn't make sense

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Post by Fitzcaraldo215 July 11, 2015 (21 of 109)
Joseph Ponessa said:

Beethoven's halls were already on the modern scale. The others wrote mostly for church, but their secular music took place in theaters (operas of Monteverdi, Cavalli, Vivaldi and Mozart) or salons (Bach and Mozart). Akin to the HIP movement is a concern for recreating an acoustic like that in which the work was premiered. A home reproduction system that approximates the original venue is a goal worth striving for, but not a sine qua non for the enjoyment of the work. Some halls, of course, are too dry, some too reverberant. The recording should try to reproduce a good seat in a great hall.

Agreed. As always in home audio, there are individual preferences, to which the listener is entitled. Kal has pretty much nailed the dichotomy. My own preference, as I think is clear, is to try to replicate the in the hall experience from a plausible audience perspective, something with which I have a great deal of listening experience, as do most listeners. That in multiple seats in good halls.

Yes, ideal and actual venues vary, but good discrete Mch recordings at their best recapture this quite successfully across countless modern Mch recordings with proper system setup. I am positively delighted with the efforts of quite a few recording teams in delivering sound that is, in any case, far more true to the live experience than plain stereo.

Post by steviev July 11, 2015 (22 of 109)
Luukas said:

Now there are hundreds of albums which are produced on SACD Stereo. It means that there isn't multi-channel layer. It doesn't make sense.
I heard music only from the main speakers. The listening experience was dull.

Yes, SACD stereo-only discs usually make no sense, but the hybrid format is perfect because it accommodates those who don't like and/or don't have the equipment for multichannel.

One exception I can think of right quick is BIS's reissue of a couple analog LPs from back in the day onto a single SACD: La Spagna - Atrium Musicæ de Madrid, Gregorio Paniagua. The originals were stereo and can be contained on a single SACD but are too long for a single RBCD.

Post by Chris from Lafayette July 11, 2015 (23 of 109)
Euell Neverno said:

Two speakers will do, thank you.

Hi, Euell - Sorry to say so, but your post doesn't make sense. Didn't you see the thread topic?

Post by jackan July 11, 2015 (24 of 109)
Back to the OP, I think that it is kind of a waste to not incorporate 5.1 when possible. And I do like having the option of stereo or multi-channel.

The discussion over what is best is boring. Different strokes for different folks. "If God were alive today....." discussions are pointless.

I listen to lots of different kinds of music, and I like hearing inventive ways for the presentation.

I do have a question. Are there any discs or sets that offer different 5.1 mixes?
I am thinking mostly classical, but who knows? So, a "directors cut", from the perspective of the director, and an audience cut, from the perspective of the audience.

Does anyone know of such an offering?

Post by Lute July 11, 2015 (25 of 109)
??? comes with 2 multichannel options: Stage and Audience. The results are mixed, but it's nice to see someone try.

I suppose Bluray and Downloads will be the best avenues for such endeavors.

Post by jackan July 11, 2015 (26 of 109)
Thanks Lute, I will check it out.

Post by Euell Neverno July 11, 2015 (27 of 109)
Chris from Lafayette said:

Hi, Euell - Sorry to say so, but your post doesn't make sense. Didn't you see the thread topic?

Au contraire, mon ami, I simply stated that SACD stereo makes sense at least to some of us. Didn't think I would have to translate.

Post by Chris from Lafayette July 12, 2015 (28 of 109)
Lute said:

??? comes with 2 multichannel options: Stage and Audience. The results are mixed, but it's nice to see someone try.

I suppose Bluray and Downloads will be the best avenues for such endeavors.

Yes - in fact, I think most AIX recordings are available with separate stage and audience surround mixes.

Post by Chris from Lafayette July 12, 2015 (29 of 109)
Euell Neverno said:

Au contraire, mon ami, I simply stated that SACD stereo makes sense at least to some of us. Didn't think I would have to translate.

Aha! So THAT's what I was supposed to infer from that cryptic statement! ;-)

Post by fredblue July 12, 2015 (30 of 109)
Chris from Lafayette said:

Yes - in fact, I think most AIX recordings are available with separate stage and audience surround mixes.

Some of those Monster Music HDS sets (Al Jarreau & George Benson, Charlie Brown) have more than one surround mix of the same music on them iirc.

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