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Discussion: Strauss: Waltzes - Kreizberg

Posts: 9

Post by Polly Nomial July 9, 2006 (1 of 9)
Mea-culpa. I have to perform a volte face here - my previous player started "slipping" and whilst it was not audible (with clipping/gaps) when I originally panned this disc, going to my new player has transformed my opinions...

I will be checking other recommendations I made at the time to make sure I haven't changed my mind.

Post by fafnir July 9, 2006 (2 of 9)
Polly Nomial said:

Mea-culpa. I have to perform a volte face here - my previous player started "slipping" and whilst it was not audible (with clipping/gaps) when I originally panned this disc, going to my new player has transformed my opinions...

I will be checking other recommendations I made at the time to make sure I haven't changed my mind.

Polly Nomial,

I don't really understand this "mea-culpa." Your review didn't pan the disc; in fact it said, "quite possibly Pentatone's finest recording from a technical standpoint." Were you perhaps thinking of another review?

Post by Polly Nomial July 9, 2006 (3 of 9)
fafnir said:

Polly Nomial,

I don't really understand this "mea-culpa." Your review didn't pan the disc; in fact it said, "quite possibly Pentatone's finest recording from a technical standpoint." Were you perhaps thinking of another review?

Before I altered the review, musically I said that it was far from the greatest Strauss disc I'd heard (I still wouldn't put it on a par with Karajan's marvellous NYD concert or a Boskovsky gem but then, very few match this level). Technically, I haven't altered my opinions...

Post by Daland July 9, 2006 (4 of 9)
Polly Nomial said:

Before I altered the review, musically I said that it was far from the greatest Strauss disc I'd heard (I still wouldn't put it on a par with Karajan's marvellous NYD concert or a Boskovsky gem but then, very few match this level). Technically, I haven't altered my opinions...

I can't make head or tail of what you are saying. Are you talking about a review that no longer exists?

At any rate I would agree this is an excellent Strauss disc, musically and technically.

Post by Polly Nomial July 9, 2006 (5 of 9)
Daland said:

I can't make head or tail of what you are saying. Are you talking about a review that no longer exists?

At any rate I would agree this is an excellent Strauss disc, musically and technically.

As a site reviewer I get to make alterations as many times and over as long a period as I wish. My original review (now consigned to the dustbin of history) basically accused Kreizburg of mauling the music to death - however, with a player that doesn't "slip", I now realise that he doesn't do much mauling at all. Perhaps I should have just kept quiet! Sorry for all the confusion & I completely agree with your concise summation.

Post by tream December 27, 2011 (6 of 9)
Listening to this now to celebrate the upcoming new year and reflecting on what a loss the musical world had with the death of Kreizberg this year. It seemed to me that he was just getting going.

I never saw him perform, unfortunately. I have seen his brother (Semyon Bychkov, of course) several times and consider him a marvelously talented conductor as well. Not sure I can think of two more talented brothers (as conductors) - the Jochum brothers, maybe?

Post by Polarius T December 28, 2011 (7 of 9)
tream said:

Not sure I can think of two more talented brothers (as conductors) - the Jochum brothers, maybe?

The Abbados? One is a lot more talented than either of the two, the other one clearly less, but on average...?

(The brother is Marcello, not Roberto who is a nephew.)

Then of the course there is the entire Järvi clan, most immediately the conductor bros. Paavo & Kristian.

Post by tream December 28, 2011 (8 of 9)
Polarius T said:

The Abbados? One is a lot more talented than either of the two, the other one clearly less, but on average...?

(The brother is Marcello, not Roberto who is a nephew.)

Then of the course there is the entire Järvi clan, most immediately the conductor bros. Paavo & Kristian.

Yes, I was thinking about relatively equally talented folks - after all, Herbert von Karajan had a brother, too, who did not conduct at all...so how do they average out? :-)

Certainly Paavo and Kristian Jarvi are an interesting pair, although I have a preference for Kreizberg and Bychkov.

Post by Polarius T December 28, 2011 (9 of 9)
tream said:

Yes, I was thinking about relatively equally talented folks - after all, Herbert von Karajan had a brother, too, who did not conduct at all...so how do they average out? :-)

Certainly Paavo and Kristian Jarvi are an interesting pair, although I have a preference for Kreizberg and Bychkov.

Heh; a valid point, although both Marcello and Roberto managed to make their names as professional conductors (however good or bad). I don't have enough familiarity to judge Jochum's kid brother's talent level, but I recall he at least once accompanied Glenn Gould with a Swedish band (Bissie would be able to confirm/know more of this).

Regarding those other brothers, I fully share you preference.

Cheers,

PT

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