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Discussion: Bartok: The Wooden Prince, Kossuth - Kocsis

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Post by Beagle January 7, 2007 (1 of 15)
This work is something of a twin to Bluebeard's Castle. In Kodály's words, "The two together merge into one, like two movements of a giant symphony.". For more information, visit this marvelous website:

http://www.zti.hu/bartok/exhibition/en_P4.htm
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PS: 'preterition' means 'dismissal' 'failure to notice'; the Magyarul-English translator knows English words which I don't.

Post by Windsurfer January 7, 2007 (2 of 15)
Anyone know if this is the later release of an older recording or if it was recently recorded. I see it is listed as P 2006 but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was recorded then.

Post by Beagle January 8, 2007 (3 of 15)
Windsurfer said:
Anyone know if this is the later release of an older recording or if it was recently recorded

The Hungaroton site lists a 1968 recording conducted by Kórodi (and issued at least twice as CD), and this one by Kocsis in The New Series. This one is DDD, the '68 one ADD. This one looks new to me (too bad the analog recording wasn't reissued as sacd, but that would be stereo only).

http://www.hungaroton.hu/classic/eng_keresfull.php?info=1855&kereses=wooden

http://www.hungaroton.hu/classic/keresfull.php?info=53&kereses=wooden

Post by Claude January 8, 2007 (4 of 15)
I don't think Kocsis has been conducting on record for very long (late 90's?). What is surprising though is that the SACD is stereo only, which is unusual for a recent classical recording.

Post by Polly Nomial January 8, 2007 (5 of 15)
Claude said:

I don't think Kocsis has been conducting on record for very long (late 90's?). What is surprising though is that the SACD is stereo only, which is unusual for a recent classical recording.

It isn't necessarily stereo only; just that Zeus is sure about stereo but not about MCH - there have been several discs that I have "reported errors" about the layers present (or other such info) from having the physical product in my possession - I suspect this is the case here too and other listeners have encountered this at times as well.

You're right about Kocsis and the (relatively) short length of his baton waving career; very good from what I recall and the other Bartók disc demonstrates, although this shouldn't be the biggest surprise given the mastery of the music as evinced in his survey of the piano music (RBCD only).

Post by Windsurfer January 8, 2007 (6 of 15)
Polly Nomial said:

It isn't necessarily stereo only; just that Zeus is sure about stereo but not about MCH -

Unfortunately, the Hungaraton website lists the item as "stereo". However you may be right. The BSO Classics disc I mentioned in a new thread says nothing in the packaging about mch yet it is and VERY fine at that!

Post by RedFox January 21, 2007 (7 of 15)
Windsurfer said:

Anyone know if this is the later release of an older recording or if it was recently recorded. I see it is listed as P 2006 but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was recorded then.

there was an interview with kocsis in a hungarian weekly before christmas.
hungaroton started a new series which would involve the collected compositions
of bartók. each recording is going to be new with kocsis as the conductor.
the project lasts four or five years. unfortunately i know no more details.

Post by Castor January 31, 2007 (8 of 15)
Polly Nomial said:

It isn't necessarily stereo only; just that Zeus is sure about stereo but not about MCH - there have been several discs that I have "reported errors" about the layers present (or other such info) from having the physical product in my possession - I suspect this is the case here too and other listeners have encountered this at times as well.

I have just received an email from Hungaraton confirming that this SACD is definitely a hybrid multi-channel.

Post by Windsurfer January 31, 2007 (9 of 15)
Castor said:

I have just received an email from Hungaraton confirming that this SACD is definitely a hybrid multi-channel.

Exciting - now if only it will soon make its appearance in our USA vendors sites.

Post by Castor March 2, 2007 (10 of 15)
The back of the disc refers to a website that I have been unable to access.
I contacted Hungaroton who provided the following information.

"Unfortunately, the website www.bartoknewseries.com
is not yet active, it will be available in appr. 3-4 weeks.

The Bartók New Series will contain
- the complete solo recording Kocsis made for Philips,

-some of the works for piano and orchestra like Rhapsody and Scherzo which Kocsis also recorded for Philips (and Hungaroton -the distribution was shared),

-everything else, either with piano or conducting (then made with Kocsis) or without piano or conducting will be completely new recording in the series."

Good news for Bartok fans!

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