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Post by TerraEpon August 4, 2012 (2721 of 4131)
seth said:
So even though we think of Tchaikovsky as a late romantic composer, he didn't compose for an ensemble the size of a late romantic orchestra.

Well that's true for this piece, but hardly all of his music.

Post by Chris August 5, 2012 (2722 of 4131)
seth said:

Yep. BIS should be praised for their variety -- everything from 20th & 21st century music, to HIP, to core repertoire. Few other labels offer such a diverse output (whether on CD or SACD).

I absolutely agree with you Seth,and that is how I started my post to Robert here,by telling him how grateful I am for all the wonderful recordings he makes.
But I still wouldn't dream of buying a Chamber orchestra version of Tchaikovsky's 6th. Nor of Dvorak's 9th or Schubert's Unfinished or Bruckner and so on and so forth.
I don't need them.
Nor would I buy Gardiner's Beethoven with a period Chamber orchestra. I have heard what he does and like it about as much as I like Norrington's Beethoven. NOT AT All.
I prefer to be "stuck in my time warp" as far as the main classical masterworks are concerned.
My new reference for sheer beauty joy and wonderful SQ to top it off with as far Beethoven's symphonies are concerned is Barenboim and his non hip West East Divan youth orchestra. Wow what JOY to hear those timeless masterworks played the way they do them.
Some of them may still be available to listen to over at BBC 3 from their live performances at the Proms.
Each to his own. I was only expressing my personal feelings having read Huss's review.
While comparing to some other recording from the open doors series I have heard and did not particularly like.
Who needs second rate recordings of some of the greatest masterworks in the entire repertoire, when there are so many truly great ones already out there?
Open doors sure,but why?
I just happen to think that there are lots of other interesting works still not recorded,that would suit a Chamber Orchestra much better than Tchaikovsky's mighty 6th.

If Channel Classics with Ivan Fischer and and the BFO were to record a Tchaikovsky 6th now that would imo be a completetly different thing. I would be all ears!

Post by chenzl August 5, 2012 (2723 of 4131)
ClassicToday France is not the final authority. I would like to hear it with my own ears.

Post by Euell Neverno August 5, 2012 (2724 of 4131)
Chris said:


But I still wouldn't dream of buying a Chamber orchestra version of Tchaikovsky's 6th. Nor of Dvorak's 9th or Schubert's Unfinished or Bruckner and so on and so forth.

I agree it is counter-intuitive. However, I greatly enjoyed the BIS recording of Dausgaard's Schumann 3 and 4, which bring clarity to the orchestration that in other recordings usually sounds congested. In the Schumann, the Swedish Chamber Orchestra sounds much larger than its forces would suggest. IMHO, the use of smaller orchestras for the romantic repertoire should not be dismissed out of hand.

Post by flyingdutchman August 5, 2012 (2725 of 4131)
Euell Neverno said:

I agree it is counter-intuitive. However, I greatly enjoyed the BIS recording Dausgaard's Schumann 3 and 4, which bring clarity to the orchestration that in other recordings usually sounds congested. In the Schumann, the Swedish Chamber Orchestra sounds much larger than its forces would suggest. IMHO, the use of smaller orchestras for the romantic repertoire should not be dismissed out of hand.

I agree with that. The Dvorak recordings with Dausgaard are extremely fine. Inner detail and clarity are important and Schumann would need that. Massive loudness doesn't always work with romantic or late romantic. The best one to bring about that inner detail clarity and beauty of the individual sections in Dvorak, all the while leading a huge orchestra was Vaclav Neumann. If you have it, look to the 8th especially, but also the 6th.

Post by seth August 5, 2012 (2726 of 4131)
Chris said:

Each to his own. I was only expressing my personal feelings having read Huss's review.
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Who needs second rate recordings of some of the greatest masterworks in the entire repertoire, when there are so many truly great ones already out there?
Open doors sure,but why?

You say it's you're just posting your "personal feelings" but then declare anything recorded with a chamber orchestra as "second rate."

You ask, "open doors...but why?" -- because some people have no problem 19th C. orchestral music being performed with a chamber orchestra.

We get it, you prefer a full orchestra. So is it really necessary to complain about every recording that uses a chamber orchestra, especially when you haven't heard the recordings?

Post by jdaniel August 5, 2012 (2727 of 4131)
I'm not big on HIP bleeding over into Romantic repertoire, though "chamber version" cycles of Dvorak and Brahms are enlightening with regard to rebalancing ensemble, if not texture. String sections got larger and larger to "fill" larger halls and thus the poor woodwinds have a tendency to get overwhelmed.

Post by Chris August 5, 2012 (2728 of 4131)
seth said:

You say it's you're just posting your "personal feelings" but then declare anything recorded with a chamber orchestra as "second rate."

You ask, "open doors...but why?" -- because some people have no problem 19th C. orchestral music being performed with a chamber orchestra.

We get it, you prefer a full orchestra. So is it really necessary to complain about every recording that uses a chamber orchestra, especially when you haven't heard the recordings?

Hello again seth,
don't worry I am not "declaring" anything.
But yes, for most of the classical repertoire from Mozart and onwards I really do prefer a full orchestra.
I don't think anyone here has missed that by now.
It may not be politically correct to do so, at this point in time,but such are my preferences.
All I am saying is I wouldn't pay a penny for chamber versions of any of the large works that are available in much better versions in full orchestra clothing imho.
I have heard the ones I quoted, I even have Dvorak's 9th on the BIS SACD at home on loan from the local library .
All I am saying is I wouldn't pay for it,because I have better ones.
It is ok but doesn't really compare to my favourite versions at all imho.
I have at least six different versions on LP alone, and for me all are better than the Open doors chamber version.
I want weight and power in these works and under the great conductors there is no need to thin things down . They know how to balance an orchestra.
In my collection are already some of the greatest recordings ever made of this work. I have Fricsay with the Berlin Philharmonic from 1960 in good early sixties sound quality on DGG. Karajan's from the mid 60s with the same orchestra, and also Kubelik's DGG LP signed by the conductor himself.
Kertesz's on Decca and Karajan's 70s remake in surround for EMI also in stunning SQ. And a wonderful performance too.
When I can hear these works by some of world's best full orchestras in stunning SQ why would I want to trade down from that?
I could make similar lists regarding both Schubert's Unfinished and Tchaikovsky's 6th.
Each to his own
Time for some music.. methinks it is time for Mahler's 1st in stunning sound from Channel again.And after that The Firebird from the same orchestra.

Post by tream August 5, 2012 (2729 of 4131)
If Channel Classics with Ivan Fischer and and the BFO were to record a Tchaikovsky 6th now that would imo be a completetly different thing. I would be all ears!
Don't encourage them!

:-)

Post by flyingdutchman August 5, 2012 (2730 of 4131)
tream said:

Don't encourage them!

:-)

No, no. A Manfred.

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