add to wish list | library


5 of 10 recommend this,
would you recommend it?

yes | no

Support this site by purchasing from these vendors using the paid links below. As an Amazon Associate SA-CD.net earns from qualifying purchases.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Discussion: Schoenberg, Berg, Webern - Karajan

Posts: 64
Page: prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 next

Post by flyingdutchman April 20, 2010 (21 of 64)
rammiepie said:

Teresa, invest your money in gold (not gold~colored discs). Just kidding......

No, she does it the cheap way, by investing in aluminum foil for her windows. Of course, Teresa goes the way of an unquestioning fool by accepting as fact the comments of a person who posts once and shouts from the rooftops that they are a professional engineer. Teresa, learn to question everything. Don't just accept as fact something that follows after your own predetermined conclusions.

Post by LPG1964 April 20, 2010 (22 of 64)
flyingdutchman said:

Karajan the greatest conductor ever? Oh, my God, I think I just wet myself with laughter.

Where did you read this?
You are possibly flying too fast?

Post by flyingdutchman April 20, 2010 (23 of 64)
LPG1964 said:

Where did you read this?
You are possibly flying too fast?

Edvin made the comment. Perhaps you're brushing by so many things, including recordings, that you don't read too much either.

Post by LPG1964 April 20, 2010 (24 of 64)
flyingdutchman said:

So Lucas, you're a professional engineer. Tell us what recordings you have done so that we can get an idea of your abilities. Personally, I think you're full of shit.

I am indeed, because I did not go to the loo yet...

Otherwise: nice try, but I have no lust in being flamed by such a polite fellow!

I see you are not interested in commenting on the method used by Esoteric?

Are you here only to fly by and insult, or do you participate in the discussions from time to time?

Post by flyingdutchman April 20, 2010 (25 of 64)
LPG1964 said:

I am indeed, because I did not go to the loo yet...

Otherwise: nice try, but I have no lust in being flamed by such a polite fellow!

I see you are not interested in commenting on the method used by Esoteric?

Are you here only to fly by and insult, or do you participate in the discussions from time to time?

Look again, fool. I've been here for years with over 1100 posts. You, you've been here 3 posts.

People who are professionals don't just blurt out w/o providing details of their background.

Post by LPG1964 April 20, 2010 (26 of 64)
flyingdutchman said:

Look again, fool. I've been here for years with over 1100 posts. You, you've been here 3 posts.

People who are professionals don't just blurt out w/o providing details of their background.

Wow, that is impressive! 1100 posts!

I hope some of them were at least a little bit constuctive...

Post by flyingdutchman April 20, 2010 (27 of 64)
LPG1964 said:

Wow, that is impressive! 1100 posts!

I hope some of them were at least a little bit constuctive...

Give more of your background...and then people can make comments about just how substantive your thoughts are. 4 posts and you have done nothing to substantiate what you're talking about.

Post by Jonty April 20, 2010 (28 of 64)
LPG1964 said:



THEY USE AN ORDINARY CD (which I already own) AS SOURCE FOR THEIR “REMASTERING” !!!!!!.

I can understand you may be disappointed in the sound of this disc which I haven't heard. However, I don't think that I can let your attack on Esoteric go unchallenged.

There has been much controversy over the Esoteric discs but at no point has anyone suggested that they have ever used a CD as a source for their re-mastering. I cannot see on their web site where they say they have. Does the booklet really say that the disc is made from a CD. Perhaps others that have the disc can help here. You are not just miss reading the way they written "Esoteric SACD / CD remaster"? They have spaced it out a bit oddly and I would have said "SACD/CD" and added hybrid before the word remastering.

Esoteric currently state that they are working from new 24/96 transfers made for them by Universal. You can believe them or not. All the Decca original recordings that I have heard are definitely better than the equivalent CD. I haven't heard any of the DGG recordings and quite how they deal with early digital recordings I have no idea but from a CD? I think not.

Post by Chris April 20, 2010 (29 of 64)
flyingdutchman said:

Give more of your background...and then people can make comments about just how substantive your thoughts are. 4 posts and you have done nothing to substantiate what you're talking about.

This is going a bit far:

He hasn´t insulted the Prophet Muhammed has he?

How can you feel so offended by a mere review?

For your information,he just wrote a review where he states a couple of things which,could be quite valuable to know for other potential buyers of this SACD?

Isn´t that what reviews are all about?

From your really rude language,I can only conclude that you belong in the category of those who have bought so many of these "Super Duper Remasters" at Super Bargain Prices,from Esoteric that you need to get into a defensive position here.

Before hurling abuse on someone like you just did ,I would advice you to limit your strong defence to releases you have actually heard.

As far as I am concerned the number of posts you have made on this FORUM doesn´t as such carry any more weight than the review posted by someone who happens to be new here.


If it turns out that they didn´t even have acess to 24/96 copies of the actual analogue masters, well then it is simply impossible that they have really improved on the the 16/44.1 they possibly started from .

Upsampling can,by definition,NOT add any information that was not there in the first place.

All it can possibly do is filter away some digital nasties.

But never,ever increase resolution or actual sound-quality.

There is already at least one SACD in Esoteric´s series that definitely comes from a 16 bit digital master.

How people can rave about it compared to real hi rez is really comical to me.

Yes I do have the LP of that one too and by early digital standards it is quite ok.
But certainly not comparable to really good analogue or true hi rez digital.


Regarding your language,keep it civil please!

Don´t let this Forum turn into one where all people do is hurl abuse at each other.

I am going to spin the BERG Karajan LP again tonight.

One thing is sure that unless you have acess to analogue masters or hi rez digtial copies of them.


The LP more often comes closer to the analogue master than any RBCD will ever do.

On the other hand the Beethoven set from 1962 as remastered from 24/96 copies do beat my LPs.

And checking Esoteric´s site just now, it says they went back to the orginal Analogue Masters!

Who is really lying most here,in this exciting thriller?

The reviewer or Esoteric?

Or will it turn out to be a case of 24/96 PCM copies DSD´D as obviously before in this SUPER BARGAIN SERIES?

Whatever :I for one, will not bite this time either,I do have the LPs!

All the best,
Chris

Post by flyingdutchman April 20, 2010 (30 of 64)
I don't respect anyone who comes in and brags about being a "professional engineer" w/o establishing where they base their comments and the credentials for doing so.

I grow tired of the growing number of braggarts who claim to have special hearing or inside knowledge--it has been all too prevalent on AA and other boards, as well as here.

I don't claim any special insights as an engineer, but I do respect people like Jarod, Groot, and Robert, who have experience in this field and don't just brag about being professional engineers. You want respect, then tell us what you have done to make it clear you have a basis to make the claims. The website information for this release says nothing about using the same remastering as the CD release. You want to make the opposite claim, then point to the language from the website that says so.

Page: prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 next

Closed