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Discussion: Tchaikovsky: Manfred Symphony - Kitajenko

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Post by tream August 3, 2012 (51 of 59)
flyingdutchman said:

Robert Lang has a review of this over at audioasylum that I hope he copies and pastes over here. And btw, I do have the recording now. Played it through once recently and will play it again this weekend.

Looking forward to your conclusions on this, FD.

Post by Euell Neverno August 3, 2012 (52 of 59)
flyingdutchman said:

Robert Lang has a review of this over at audioasylum that I hope he copies and pastes over here. And btw, I do have the recording now. Played it through once recently and will play it again this weekend.

Do you have the Petrenko RBCD recording on Naxos? If so, how would you compare the two? I just ordered the Kiajenko out of curiousity and because I have his 6th, which I like, but the Petrenko is quite exciting.

Post by flyingdutchman August 4, 2012 (53 of 59)
As I am going to try to take this movement by movement and recording by recording, it's utterly vital that I have read what Robert has so eloquently stated in his really great review over at AA. I would want to make sure and listen to this in as full a manner as possible and to do this, I had to say to my wife, "sorry dear, but this is going to get loud."

The first movement is as Robert says, utter clarity when in the muddy passages there needs to be clear playing in such a way as to make sense of the lowest registers. There is tenderness in the playing as typified by the harps and violins that is completely beautiful. And the bass is completely realistic, although when the tympani comes out in the fortissimo passages it will completely knock you down. Explosive is saying it lightly when it comes to the orchestra playing at full tilt and yet it is the clarity in textures I am searching for especially when the music gets a bit more muddy. I love Tchaikovsky and the Manfred is one of my top 3 when it comes to his music, but the first movement does get a bit difficult to wade through at times (and that's speaking generally about the Manfred).

I do have to say that the tam tam does get a little overwhelming in the first movement and it makes me wonder just how much Tchaikovsky put into the actual score for it.

I will want to compare this disc again side by side with Kobayashi, but I have to tell you, beyond the performance of the orchestra, the sound of Kobayashi makes me absolutely ill. It angers me because the orchestra itself is passionate and plays well, but I will bring it out again to make a better side by side comparison.

Post by Links August 4, 2012 (54 of 59)
"I do have to say that the tam tam does get a little overwhelming in the first movement
and it makes me wonder just how much Tchaikovsky put into the actual score for it."

Agreed.
Glad to see someone else found this worth mentioning.
The extra whacks in the final bars are optional and in the score.
I have recorded this symphony once with the Vancouver Symphony,
the conductor chose not to to use them.
Of 2 other RB CDs and 2 LPs I have none there either.
This is the first time I have heard this performed this way.

ETA wish I could find the source where I read about this.
The only thing I have found tonight was the tam-tam
parts for the score.
No xtra "crack of doom" strokes are indicated in the last 9 bars.

Given Kitajenko's love of the tam-tam, how about giving us
the full Hamlet overture on SACD please?

Post by jazz1 August 5, 2012 (55 of 59)
Euell Neverno said:

Do you have the Petrenko RBCD recording on Naxos? If so, how would you compare the two? I just ordered the Kiajenko out of curiousity and because I have his 6th, which I like, but the Petrenko is quite exciting.

I love the Petrenko, this is why I am hesitating buying "another" version.
Maybe I'll succumb to my audiophile curiosity???

Post by flyingdutchman August 5, 2012 (56 of 59)
I have the Petrenko but will have to wait on continuing my listening sessions on the Kitayenko. I'm working on a Prezi for a big presentation tomorrow AM and the rest of the listening will have to wait.

Post by rammiepie August 5, 2012 (57 of 59)
flyingdutchman said:

I have the Petrenko but will have to wait on continuing my listening sessions on the Kitayenko. I'm working on a Prezi for a big presentation tomorrow AM and the rest of the listening will have to wait.

I also have the Petrenko on order but FD, good luck on your presentation..........Be sure to put your best foot forward and knock 'em silly!

Post by current93 August 6, 2012 (58 of 59)
I wonder how Kitajenko stands comparison with this Tchaikovsky: Symphony "Manfred" - Macal.
I'm completely satisfied with Kitajenko but also want to add Macal in library since it's been released.

Post by Links May 11, 2013 (59 of 59)
More on the extra tam-tam strokes at the end of the first movement of the Kitajenko recording..
They seem have originated with ...

"Toscanini added tam-tam crashes to the end of the first movement,
rewrote the wind, brass, and string parts here and there, and cut 100 bars out of the finale."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Stokowski

An entire performance (with the extra tam-tam strokes) can be heard on youtube
just search there for
"Toscanini conducts Tchaikovsky - Manfred Symphony, Op. 58"

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