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Post by rammiepie December 31, 2011 (61 of 126)
flyingdutchman said:

Oh, then I guess TACET on SACD is superfluous and we shouldn't be hoping for their releases on SACD?

I didn't say that.....FD........you said it! What I love is truth in advertising and nothing is more heartening to me than "mastered from the original analogue master tapes>SACD!"

Without a direct comparison, when analogue is coverted to 96/24 then to DSD, do you really know what you are getting? There are so many converters and knob~ twirling "mechanics" out there and if ALL SACD releasing companies used Analogue Productions or MoFi's "direct" approach, it would save a lot of question marks (as in Esoteric and to a degree, Universal/Japan's approaches).

Now that TACET has entered the frey, I have no doubt that Andreas Speer is aware that there is a strong, albeit smallish, niche market for SACD product. There is no viable DVD~A forum........and that he chose to enter into a dialogue on SA~CD.net is, IMO, a very positive step....in the right direction.

So let's not put the cart before the horse..........

Happy 2012, FD. Hoping that you get your high paying job in Japan so you can send your friend Rammiepie loads of SHM~SACDs for his hungry SACD players!

Bon Appetite!

Post by canonical December 31, 2011 (62 of 126)
Arnaldo said:

As to their SACDs, Tacet is very much a hit and miss outfit.

I have only purchased one Tacet SACD:

What about this, Mr. Paganini? - Saschko Gawriloff

and thought that the sonics were worse than an average CD, which is a very disappointing outcome for someone purchasing and expecting a hi-rez stereo SACD.

The box failed to state the recording resolution, and the recording itself turned out to be from 1995 (which, if digital, basically pre-dates hi-rez recording anyway). Maybe the other releases are better ... but that's the problem with releasing variable output - once bitten, twice shy.

At the very least, this label should start making publicly available what the recording resolution of each SACD is. Until that happens, I'm certainly not buying them again.

Post by stvnharr January 1, 2012 (63 of 126)
TACET said:

It's amazing...
I can't read all the posts now. It's december 31, 5pm and I want to celebrate New Year.
However there seems to be a lot unclear and undiscussed!
Please give me some time to think what to answer.
Happy New Year, you all!
Andreas

Happy New Year Andreas,
It is hoped that as you read all the posts that you will decide to release your new music as sacd's. You have previously done so, and perhaps can do this again. This of course is your decision and I can only hope that it is the best one for you and your company.

Post by Hitters January 2, 2012 (64 of 126)
stvnharr said:

Happy New Year Andreas,
It is hoped that as you read all the posts that you will decide to release your new music as sacd's. You have previously done so, and perhaps can do this again. This of course is your decision and I can only hope that it is the best one for you and your company.

Thanks for your respectful and positive post. This is the kind of response I was hoping to get from the forum. Happy new 2012!

Post by TACET January 3, 2012 (65 of 126)
Now I have read all posts. And I had time to think over it. But I am still not sure what the best way is to answer. I start with a couple of thoughts thrown into the thread.

- I am very impressed about the vitality on this website. That has certainly some influence. But it's clear that a producer takes his decisions on the basis of lots of more information.

- There will be more SACDs. Don't be worried about that.

- You should know a couple of figures. We release four different formats: CD (item number near 200), LP (some sold out, 10 available), DVD-A (35) and SACD (16). TACET was founded in 1989. So more or less 10 to 12 new recordings every year. I do all recordings myself. More than one release per month that way is not possible, at least for me. By the way I am 56 now. Each of these four formats has his own advantages and disadvantages. Each recording is different. Most of the TACET recordings or mixes are done for one (or two) formats. E. g. "The Tube" first was only made for vinyl with the idea of a complete chain from artist to listener without any semi-conductor. For me it does not seem reasonable (neither interesting) to offer only one format. So when arguing with TACET to release more SACDs please bear in mind the reduced capacity of this small company.

Post by flyingdutchman January 3, 2012 (66 of 126)
TACET said:


- There will be more SACDs. Don't be worried about that.

- You should know a couple of figures. We release four different formats: CD (item number near 200), LP (some sold out, 10 available), DVD-A (35) and SACD (16). TACET was founded in 1989. So more or less 10 to 12 new recordings every year. I do all recordings myself. More than one release per month that way is not possible, at least for me. By the way I am 56 now. Each of these four formats has his own advantages and disadvantages. Each recording is different. Most of the TACET recordings or mixes are done for one (or two) formats. E. g. "The Tube" first was only made for vinyl with the idea of a complete chain from artist to listener without any semi-conductor. For me it does not seem reasonable (neither interesting) to offer only one format. So when arguing with TACET to release more SACDs please bear in mind the reduced capacity of this small company.

Excellent! Keep them coming.

Post by Jonalogic January 4, 2012 (67 of 126)
TACET said:

Now I have read all posts. And I had time to think over it. But I am still not sure what the best way is to answer. I start with a couple of thoughts thrown into the thread.

- I am very impressed about the vitality on this website. That has certainly some influence. But it's clear that a producer takes his decisions on the basis of lots of more information.

- There will be more SACDs. Don't be worried about that.

- You should know a couple of figures. We release four different formats: CD (item number near 200), LP (some sold out, 10 available), DVD-A (35) and SACD (16). TACET was founded in 1989. ..

So when arguing with TACET to release more SACDs please bear in mind the reduced capacity of this small company.

Many thanks. Loved 'the Tube' and your purist philosophy.

Keep up the good work.

Prosit Neujahr! (albeit belated)

Post by arnaoutchot January 4, 2012 (68 of 126)
TACET said:

- There will be more SACDs. Don't be worried about that.

Andreas, thanks for the info and also a happy and successful New Year to you. Coming back on what you mentioned earlier about the new recording of Medieval music in France, can you already say in what format it will be released ?

Best regards Michael (Nuernberg, Germany)

Post by TACET January 7, 2012 (69 of 126)
No. I do not yet know. See below. But another item will surely be released on SACD: the next recording of the "Welte Mystery Series". It's a compilation of some of the best Welte rolls with popular music. The title will probably be "Swinging Welte - George Gershwin and others play holes into the rolls". The formerly world-known company Welte in Freiburg/Germany produced about 4500 piano rolls at the beginning of the 20th century. About 2500 with classical music, famous pianists playing or great composers playing own works. The other 2000 rolls are popular music. TACET already offers 20 classical music items within the "Welte Mystery Series". Look on our website for more information.

For the recording of Medieval music there will be one version in stereo and one in Real Surround Sound (with the singers around the listener). In which format should they be released?

For me personally the biggest problem of SACD and maybe one reason for the vital posts in this thread is the conflict between stereo and "our" surround sound - much more than a conflict between SACD listeners and other listeners or between DSD and PCM. A piano recording in "normal" surround sound is done by taking a stereo recording and put part of the ambience information on the rear channels. For the whole Welte project this is a perfect approach. Regarding Surround Sound the SACD with two stereo versions (one in DSD and one on the CD layer) reaches people who do not (yet) want to deal with a surround sound that is more than echo from behind. Those people are (yet) frustrated with Real Surround Sound discs. Please look at the discussions on this site about TACET's Beethoven symphonies, e. g. /showthread/13094//y?page=first
This is one reason that I am hesitating.

As far as I know the SACD standard was originally designed in stereo and later on the suggestion of Philips opened to surround sound. The conflict was obvious from the very beginning. Today there are several new players available that do not offer the surround sound option.

I do not want to say anything against stereo listeners! We produce steadily and many like our Tube Only stereo recordings. We sell lots of LPs and CDs. At the same time many others like our Real Surround Sound (and Moving Real Surround Sound) and are not so much interested in stereo. Maybe the pure fact that I like stereo AND Real Surround Sound equally and that I try in both fields to do something inventive causes such strong and interesting discussions.

Have to leave now for a recording in Hannover/Germany. Can read your posts only next Thursday.

Post by rammiepie January 7, 2012 (70 of 126)
I, personally, am a huge advocate of "real" surround as it envelops you rathed than renders subtle ambience which can be elicited in stereo by employing the DSP surround modes (take your pick).

The stereo option on the SACD layer can thus satisfy those who don't relish discrete surround envelopment from their music.

Andreas, YOU are the producer and the visionary who brings these recordings to life and it is really your decision because if you start to canvas the likes and dislikes of the various posters of this or any other site you will probably be more "confused" than ever.

As to your choice of format...........anything over 80 minutes will have to spill over onto a second SACD so if you're planning any more of those 312 minute multichannel discs you're talking boxed sets of SACDs or 1 DVD~Audio..........

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