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Discussion: Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 - Rattle

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Post by hiredfox August 16, 2012 (1 of 19)
A majestic performance from the Berlin Philharmonic and Sir Simon Rattle and a hugely impressive recording signals the best of the new generation EMI SACD's so far and a benchmark recording of the Ninth Symphony on SACD or any other medium. This disc is simply awe inspiring and beyond reproach. You know when you are in the presence of greatness and anybody lucky enough to have been at the live performance will still be in heaven.

One not to miss under any circumstances and dare it be suggested that the drama and scale of this particular work may be better suited to 96/24 PCM than DSD. You can't say that very often about classical works.

I loved every second of it although my hearing will take a while to return to normality.

Post by tream August 17, 2012 (2 of 19)
Listening to the 4th movement now....I find it to be utterly convincing. Have thought so since first hearing the Layer performance recommended by Richard Lehnert in Stereophile - committed, but not first class orchestral work nor a first class recording....now we have the Berlin Phil, conducted by one of today's star conductors, in SACD sound (although just 2 channel, and not completely top notch, so not the last word) - but any recording made now without the 4th movement has to be looked as incomplete. Bruckner intended a finale...he left much of it composed. If you love Bruckner, you must acquire a 4 movement version of the 9th. And if you haven't heard it, you can't have an opinion.

Post by SteelyTom August 18, 2012 (3 of 19)
I hope EMI makes the SACD version available domestically (US). Till then, count me among the skeptics. If there had been a finale available, would Furtwangler have programmed it with the Berlin Phil. in late 1944?

Post by tream August 18, 2012 (4 of 19)
SteelyTom said:

I hope EMI makes the SACD version available domestically (US). Till then, count me among the skeptics. If there had been a finale available, would Furtwangler have programmed it with the Berlin Phil. in late 1944?

Since it wasn't available to him, it is pointless to speculate. Today's conductor of the Berlin Phil did have it available, and has chose to perform and record it.

As I said....if you haven't heard it, you can't have an opinion.

Post by hiredfox August 19, 2012 (5 of 19)
One can of course ignore the 'fourth' movement which is my preference.

Post by hiredfox August 19, 2012 (6 of 19)
SteelyTom said:

I hope EMI makes the SACD version available domestically (US). Till then, count me among the skeptics. If there had been a finale available, would Furtwangler have programmed it with the Berlin Phil. in late 1944?

I agree. This was a $50 import from Japan and frankly as a way of buying future EMI SACD releases simply unsustainable.

Surely they know through folk like Simon Gibson that there is a world-wide market for SACD and not just Japan, important as it is?

Post by elpibe December 22, 2013 (7 of 19)
Hiredfox:

A question: do you know for a fact whether the Rattle SACDs, particularly this Bruckner 9th and the Brahms symphonies, were sourced from the 24/96 master and not from the 16/44 used to produce the CDs? Thanks in advance.

Post by hiredfox December 22, 2013 (8 of 19)
elpibe said:

Hiredfox:

A question: do you know for a fact whether the Rattle SACDs, particularly this Bruckner 9th and the Brahms symphonies, were sourced from the 24/96 master and not from the 16/44 used to produce the CDs? Thanks in advance.

Not independently. I recall Simon was the source of information but it seems unlikely EMI in Japan would have done modern recordings of the download era at only RB standard.

The sleeve of the Brahms set - which was recorded in 2009,- carries the note DSD Mastered but we know from experience that doesn't really shed too much light on the recording format used.

Post by elpibe December 22, 2013 (9 of 19)
OK thanks. I"m asking because I have seen data showing that some of Rattle SACDs (such as the Nutcracker) seem to originate from a 44/48 master,

Jacques

Post by Cicero December 22, 2013 (10 of 19)
I believe Simon Gibson never claimed that Rattle's Bruckner was recorded in 96/24. He did say that EMI's analogue masters were transferred to 96/24, rather than to DSD, for remastering:

/showthread/76491/78158/y#78158

But he had this to say about other Rattle recordings in Berlin:

/showthread/102578/102637

The Bruckner may have the same resolution as these.

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