Thread: SACD Survey

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Post by AmonRa November 30, 2012 (11 of 66)
When here is talk about getting more pop/rock SACDs it is mostly us old farts longing for old reissues from our youth, not wishing that gangsta rappers would start producing them. In general the ratio of real new HQ recordings to old turds with SACD gilding is worrying. You will NEVER see new major pop/rock productions on SACD, mark my words.

Post by rammiepie November 30, 2012 (12 of 66)
AmonRa said:

When here is talk about getting more pop/rock SACDs it is mostly us old farts longing for old reissues from our youth, not wishing that gangsta rappers would start producing them. In general the ratio of real new HQ recordings to old turds with SACD gilding is worrying. You will NEVER see new major pop/rock productions on SACD, mark my words.

Quite the contrary AmonRa.........I do want current artists to be represented in hi~rez......but you're correct that SACD is absolutely NOT the format of choice.......among producers and/or artists.

If you do want anything current (excluding gangsta rap) DVD~A and BD~Audio will be the ticket.

As for all of us old farts...............there's still a lot of life left in us and not all of us are living in our musical pasts.

Post by canonical November 30, 2012 (13 of 66)
rammiepie said:

Funny.....how so?

So, canonical.......funny you ask..............

The funny part was the end bit: that 'Blu-ray audio will dominate'.

Post by DSD November 30, 2012 (14 of 66)
Nagraboy said:

...I don't see that Pop/Rock titles will do much for it. As we know, SACD has built a strong niche presence in the Classical market, a market which tends to still be more into buying physical discs than the Pop/Rock market is.

rammiepie said:

A "balanced" approach to any format, new or old, in terms of what is being released is vital.

From a sonic standpoint the best sounding SACDs in my collection have been jazz, blues and bluegrass.

Everything on these three labels are to die for and most are fairly recent DSD recordings or modern analog recordings.

Audioquest Music (many reissued under the Sledgehammer Blues label) /titles/0/42/date/5/1

DMP /titles/0/21/date/5/1

Rounder /titles/0/64/date/5/1

It's this kind of music I'm interested in on SACD as I haven't been able to enjoy any type of classical music or other forms of orchestral music in almost six months. I would really like SACD to release all kinds of music including Rap. I recently discovered Lowkey"s Obama Nation.

Post by Tim-sacd December 1, 2012 (15 of 66)
With good marketing everything is possible. The best example are the "Beats Audio"-headphones by Dr. Dre.

Let the people behind Beats Audio launch sacd, dvd-a or bd-a and there will be a market for (in combination with a download for portable devices).

The problem is the lack from record labels.

For new titles ... I bought various "new releases" in high-res (downloads) and most have exactly the same 'problematic' mastering as the cd.

Only a few releases have a "special hd-mastering": Muse, Green Day,... + a few titles that had OK mastering on cd: Ben Howard, Lumineers,... But they're a minority. Many high-res files have DR5-DR6.

Post by rammiepie December 1, 2012 (16 of 66)
canonical said:

The funny part was the end bit: that 'Blu-ray audio will dominate'.

For the simple fact that it has the backing of ALL the labels.............

Or, will!

And the shear fact that the entire Solti Ring could be contained on one BD~A disc is pretty amazing....certainly nothing to snicker about, canonical.

Post by Kutyatest December 1, 2012 (17 of 66)
Nagraboy said:

I'm sure it is player dependent and it's annoying that there isn't some kind of agreed standard for this sort of thing, because it really isn't good enough. You never see in the advertising "Our player won't play the first two seconds of your disc because we found it too hard to engineer". It's only consumers telling each other that passes this information around.

I'm not experienced with hi-res players, my present Arcam DV137 being my first. What you and rammiepie mention about the muting on DVD-As is completely unknown to me - which backs up your assertion that it is probably player dependant.

One interesting thing though that my DV137 does, which no other CD-capable player has done, is that when playing a standard CD (RBCD) in shuffle/random mode, it sometimes plays the final piece (fraction of a second) of the immediately preceeding track. It does this around 15% of the time/disc - but never ever on an SACD or DVD-A. For example, if the player is playing track number 7 on a CD, when it finishes and hops to (let's say) track number 15, it will play a fraction of a second of track number 14 before starting properly o track 15! Weird. When the player was new - and operating on the as-delivered software version (I'm now several version in - and on the latest/last), it would do this on practically every track in shuffle/random mode.

Apolgies if I've slightly dragged the thread of-course. I'll have a look at the questionnaire and answer if possible.

Post by Kutyatest December 1, 2012 (18 of 66)
rammiepie said:

As for all of us old farts...............there's still a lot of life left in us and not all of us are living in our musical pasts.

Mmmhhh! There's a lot of fart left in this old life - and my musical past is just getting longer! And I'm enjoying living it!

Post by Vaan December 1, 2012 (19 of 66)
rammiepie said:


And the shear fact that the entire Solti Ring could be contained on one BD~A disc is pretty amazing....certainly nothing to snicker about, canonical.

And the sound is wonderful. Open, clear, warm...

Post by armenian December 1, 2012 (20 of 66)
I am just curious why this issue keeps coming back again, from the standpoint of industry and majority of labels SACD was considered a dead format, it’s been dead for over a decade, so what has changed in this perception?

Vahe

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